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Offline roguejim

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Over Hopped AIPA?
« on: February 22, 2012, 02:09:15 PM »
Just looking at the numbers, does this look horribly unbalanced, hop-wise?  In the vein of say SSOS, I don't think it is, but compared to what most people here brew, and like, what do you think?  Be merciless, please!

O'Chinook IPA

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal):         7.00    Wort Size (Gal):    7.00
Total Grain (Lbs):       18.63
Anticipated OG:          1.067    Plato:             16.41
Anticipated SRM:           9.0
Anticipated IBU:         102.4
Brewhouse Efficiency:       70 %
Wort Boil Time:             60    Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
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Evaporation Rate:       2.00    Gallons Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size:    9.00    Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity:      1.052    SG          12.92  Plato


Grain/Extract/Sugar

   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
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 81.9    15.25 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row)              America        1.036      2
  9.4     1.75 lbs. Munich Malt                   Germany        1.037      8
  4.7     0.88 lbs. Crystal 60L                   America        1.034     60
  4.0     0.75 lbs. Wheat Malt                    America        1.038      2

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
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  2.60 oz.    Chinook                           Pellet  11.50  80.0  60 min.
  2.30 oz.    Cascade                           Pellet   5.50  16.8  15 min.
  1.50 oz.    Cascade                           Pellet   5.50   4.4  5 min.
  2.00 oz.    Cascade                           Pellet   5.50   1.3  1 min.


Yeast
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Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Single Step

Grain Lbs:   18.63
Water Qts:   26.00 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal:    6.50 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.40 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 152  Time:  60
Mash-out Rest Temp :           0  Time:   0
Sparge Temp :                  0  Time:   0


Total Mash Volume Gal: 7.99 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.






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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 02:14:19 PM »
Well, you've got a 2:1 BU:GU ratio which is quite a bit higher than I go for that style.  OTOH, they're only numbers....
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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 02:37:59 PM »
Agreed, if you like it, good :)

I like 1.00 to 1.25 for the top end which is 67-84 IBU.

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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 03:21:48 PM »
Well, you've got a 2:1 BU:GU ratio which is quite a bit higher than I go for that style.  OTOH, they're only numbers....

Yeah, I know.  But, we've all seen the numbers for SSOS.  Here's my poor reasoning.  I tend to consider the numbers more with the 60 minute addition.  I shot for 80 IBUs there based on something Bill Pierce had told me about 80 IBUs being pretty much the upper thresh hold for perceived bitterness.  As for the other additions, I'm not convinced much if any bitterness is contributed at the 15-5-1 minute marks.  I would consider Fred's Late Hopped Amarillo Pale as good evidence for this.  That recipe has something like a 1:1 BU/GU ratio, something like 48 IBUs for a 1.047 ale.  I think I'm remembering these numbers pretty closely.  The bitterness is low, in my perception.  So, what I'm saying is that for the 15-5-1 minute additions, I try to go more by feel, or intuition rather than numbers as to the amounts that will provide the flavor/aroma that I want.     

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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 04:16:33 PM »
I agree that late hopped additions render a smoother bitterness,
but think they still add bitterness not to be discounted.
80 BU's of Chinook at 60 is quite a bit, and will give you some intense bitterness,
whereas those 80 BU's late hopped might be smoother.

Not that this helps, just more discussion.

Personally, I love overhopped AIPA. 
Actually, I am wacked enough to think that it is hard to be overhopped,
but I am not going to competition with my wares.

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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 06:59:11 PM »
Your bittering addition is about double what I use...I target 40IBU's (bittering addition) for an AIPA. You'll have to wait and see how it tastes. Depends on your utilization, body of the beer and AA%. These will all effect the perceived bitterness.
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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 01:22:33 AM »
Your bittering addition is about double what I use...I target 40IBU's (bittering addition) for an AIPA. You'll have to wait and see how it tastes. Depends on your utilization, body of the beer and AA%. These will all effect the perceived bitterness.

Interesting regarding the 40 IBUs target for the 60 minute addition.  What is your average AIPA gravity?

Have you ever tasted SSOS?  Just wondering what you thought of it.

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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 08:56:58 AM »
Your bittering addition is about double what I use...I target 40IBU's (bittering addition) for an AIPA. You'll have to wait and see how it tastes. Depends on your utilization, body of the beer and AA%. These will all effect the perceived bitterness.

Interesting regarding the 40 IBUs target for the 60 minute addition.  What is your average AIPA gravity?

Have you ever tasted SSOS?  Just wondering what you thought of it.

Jim, when I saw the hop bill for this recipe, I knew you were thinking of SSOS.  But keep in mind that hops are just one part of the equation.  Maybe the reason the high IBU level works in SSOS is because of the grist bill, which balances it.  I dunno, just thinking out loud.
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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 10:09:25 AM »
Your bittering addition is about double what I use...I target 40IBU's (bittering addition) for an AIPA. You'll have to wait and see how it tastes. Depends on your utilization, body of the beer and AA%. These will all effect the perceived bitterness.

Interesting regarding the 40 IBUs target for the 60 minute addition.  What is your average AIPA gravity?

Have you ever tasted SSOS?  Just wondering what you thought of it.

I have not tasted SSOS so I can't attest to that beer recipe.

I target 40IBU's for bittering in most of my AIPA's as a standard because I find it to be about right for the style. There are varying opinions on this and you can try more or less depending on your personal taste and threshold for bittering.

The hop bittering component will come down to the balance that you are looking for in the beer. This will be a baseline for your future recipes.
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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 10:31:13 AM »
SSOS is that sam smith's oatmeal stout???


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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 10:34:59 AM »
SSOS is that sam smith's oatmeal stout???


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Re: Over Hopped AIPA?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 10:35:28 AM »
David Brockington's Sister Star of the Sun IPA, I believe.