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mash filtration technology systems?
« on: March 02, 2012, 05:25:13 PM »
Is there any other manufacturer of craft brewer mash filtration technology systems besides Meura and their Monsville system? I know the Alaskan Brewing Company is now using this system. Perhaps one or two other craft brewers in the USA. Of couse the really big brewers on their really big systems, but I am not interested in that massive scale.

I also heard a rumor that Paul Farnsworth is down south somewhere building a full custom mash filtration system - for some big name brewer I would venture a guess.  Rumor? Gossip? Straight out lie? Any insider info on this?
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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 07:42:34 AM »
I have no idea, a regular old false bottom works perfectly well for most breweries. why would the need be for something more complex? I can see the benefit of adding a grant, but a "mash filter"? Not sure what the point is.
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 04:36:35 PM »
I think the breweries that use mash filters are pulverizing the grain with a hammer mill or something like it, so they need a better strainer than a false bottom.
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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 04:52:46 PM »
I see. So you can get a higher yield. Interesting.
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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 10:13:57 PM »
A mash filtration system is not a simple mash filter. It is a highly complex, high volume production system, until recently used only by mega pro brewerys.

It is reported in the literature that 25% of the world's beer is made on mash filtration systems. This is done for simple economic reasons - best efficiency, more production, more energy efficient -> more profit -> $$$. Some of these systems run 14 batches a day!
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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2012, 05:50:06 AM »
A mash filtration system is not a simple mash filter. It is a highly complex, high volume production system, until recently used only by mega pro brewerys.

It is reported in the literature that 25% of the world's beer is made on mash filtration systems. This is done for simple economic reasons - best efficiency, more production, more energy efficient -> more profit -> $$$. Some of these systems run 14 batches a day!

I can certainly see where a finely crushed grain would yield better efficiency but definitely need filtration. Probably out of my price range but interesting.

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 05:53:32 AM »
So, what's the point?  On a small scale, would you ever make back the money that it cost?  It won't make better beer.  It sounds like it might actually make worse beer... super high efficiency can come at the expense of flavor (which is not a problem for the large batch macro lager producers).
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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2012, 09:03:42 AM »
So, what's the point?  On a small scale, would you ever make back the money that it cost?  It won't make better beer.  It sounds like it might actually make worse beer... super high efficiency can come at the expense of flavor (which is not a problem for the large batch macro lager producers).

+1

Sounds like it really won't benefit the small pro-brewer. At least from a cost savings standpoint.
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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 09:37:02 AM »
So, what's the point?  On a small scale, would you ever make back the money that it cost?  It won't make better beer.  It sounds like it might actually make worse beer... super high efficiency can come at the expense of flavor (which is not a problem for the large batch macro lager producers).

+1

Sounds like it really won't benefit the small pro-brewer. At least from a cost savings standpoint.

But isn't this the Pro Brewing area?

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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 10:12:46 AM »
So, what's the point?  On a small scale, would you ever make back the money that it cost?  It won't make better beer.  It sounds like it might actually make worse beer... super high efficiency can come at the expense of flavor (which is not a problem for the large batch macro lager producers).

+1

Sounds like it really won't benefit the small pro-brewer. At least from a cost savings standpoint.

But isn't this the Pro Brewing area?

Last time I checked it was.
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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2012, 10:13:30 AM »
So, what's the point?  On a small scale, would you ever make back the money that it cost?  It won't make better beer.  It sounds like it might actually make worse beer... super high efficiency can come at the expense of flavor (which is not a problem for the large batch macro lager producers).

+1

Sounds like it really won't benefit the small pro-brewer. At least from a cost savings standpoint.

But isn't this the Pro Brewing area?

yeah, what's your point?
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2012, 10:18:26 AM »
So, what's the point?  On a small scale, would you ever make back the money that it cost?  It won't make better beer.  It sounds like it might actually make worse beer... super high efficiency can come at the expense of flavor (which is not a problem for the large batch macro lager producers).

+1

Sounds like it really won't benefit the small pro-brewer. At least from a cost savings standpoint.

But isn't this the Pro Brewing area?

yeah, what's your point?

This isn't the Going Small Pro section.;)

If I was going pro I'd want to investigate all equipment, so I can brew the best possible beer. Seems like some are shooting the horse before it gets out of the gate.
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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2012, 10:23:49 AM »
I'm interested in learning about any technology that has to do with homebrewing or pro brewing. certainly is something I am interested in discussing. probably not something I will be adding to my brewery anytime soon though. but I agree it is fun to talk about it.
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2012, 10:25:52 AM »
I'm interested in learning about any technology that has to do with homebrewing or pro brewing. certainly is something I am interested in discussing. probably not something I will be adding to my brewery anytime soon though. but I agree it is fun to talk about it.

I love talking about all things brewing, pro or home. :D

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Re: mash filtration technology systems?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2012, 10:26:48 AM »
So, what's the point?  On a small scale, would you ever make back the money that it cost?  It won't make better beer.  It sounds like it might actually make worse beer... super high efficiency can come at the expense of flavor (which is not a problem for the large batch macro lager producers).

+1

Sounds like it really won't benefit the small pro-brewer. At least from a cost savings standpoint.

But isn't this the Pro Brewing area?

yeah, what's your point?

This isn't the Going Small Pro section.;)

If I was going pro I'd want to investigate all equipment, so I can brew the best possible beer. Seems like some are shooting the horse before it gets out of the gate.

This isn't the going large pro-brewing section either.  ;) This is all things pro-brewing.

Investigate until your heart's content. We will state our opinions here just as you've done.
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