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« on: January 29, 2010, 07:42:32 AM »
hello brewers,

has anyone experience with the following system: speidels braumeister ?

It´s seems to be a complete homebrewing system for all grain brewing. It´s a german product.
This looks very interessting to me if it´s so easy as mentioned on their website www.speidels-braumeister.de


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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 08:33:41 AM »
This has been discussed on another board; the consensus was that it's very nice but too much $$$.
That's around $2400 USD. The compactness and all in one integration are pretty cool, but I would worry about repairs.
The parts could probably be had to build this for maybe $600. It's BIAB style brewing with electric PID controllers, and a pump. It just wouldn't be quite as neat and compact.
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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 11:30:53 AM »
The BIAB idea originated from that system.

I agree that $2400 is a bit much.

Kai

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 01:15:32 PM »
Looking at that lid, why do we boil in open kettles?
I know why........................

I'm thinking of make up a lid similar to that and trying it out.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 01:36:49 PM »
The BIAB idea originated from that system.

I agree that $2400 is a bit much.

Kai

No Kidding? It's a great little system, just pricey. If we could get a George Foreman or Mr.Popeil model I'm sure it'd do well.
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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 01:45:17 PM »
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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 01:47:09 PM »
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 Those sneaky Germans.

I doubt this system will catch on in the US. You can buy a lot of blue coolers for $2400 ;)

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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 05:51:16 PM »
Those sneaky Germans.

I doubt this system will catch on in the US. You can buy a lot of blue coolers for $2400 ;)

 Kai

I'm hip to that!   :D

But since everybody has mentioned BIAB.... some of you might try the No Chill method, it works and the only downside is if you let it chill in the brew kettle and then pour straight into your fermenter... you get some cold break with it so you need to adjust for it.   ;)

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 06:46:01 PM »
Hops utilization changes too (from what I read). Never tried no chill.
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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 02:04:29 AM »
I just have watched the video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6rraC-xY2A
Looks really nice an easy. The german price is 1390 € with tax - where is it mentioned 2400$?

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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 07:19:13 AM »
Thanks for checking back on us and I hope we didn't rip part your product too much :D

I just have watched the video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6rraC-xY2A
Looks really nice an easy. The german price is 1390 € with tax - where is it mentioned 2400$?

The $2400 were posted earlier in this thread and I don't know where they came for. I looked for a price but with 1400 euro, which incudes 17% tax that you wouldn't have to pay in the US, It's price would be more like $2000. This will still be considered pretty steep. I'm not saying that the price is excessive for this system but it will be met with considerable skepticism.

I have known about the Braumeister for a while and described the system to other home brewers before. Here is what I like and don't like:

Pros:
- While the system is based on what many here in the US know as RMS (Recirculated Mash System) it pumps the wort into the mash from the bottom which allows for greater recirculation speeds and more even agitation and extraction of the grain bed. Typical RMS systems perform a continuous lauter and are therefore limited by the amount of flow a settled grain bed will support. By going the other way you are able to heat the mash more efficiently

- ease of use

Cons:

- clarity of sweet wort: Since you don't have a means of clarifying the sweet wort through the grain bed ( recirculate or Truebwuerzepumpen) you'll end up with a turbid wort in the brew kettle. I have seen data saying that it makes a difference and data showing the opposite. But most brewers prefer to get clear sweet wort. At least free of grain husks and grits.

- brewhouse efficiency: Since this is a no-sparge system the efficiency is limited to about 80% (~65% if you calculate it to the total grain weight which is common in German brewing). But I think you will reach all of that since your conversion is likely very good due to the thin mash and recirculation. Those 80% would be an improvement for some but I suspect that they would expect more from an actual brew system that they pay a lot of money for.

I wouldn't mind one for mashing but then I still have to transfer the mash to a lauter tun to lauter. Right now I mash in a kettle on the stove and scoop the mash into a cooler for lautering.


In the video I saw people drink only cloudy beer. Is it not possible to brew clear beer with the Braumeister?

Ettan, I assume based on your e-mail address you are Stefan Speidel himself ;)

Kai

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 09:07:10 AM »
$2400 is the rounded up price of the starter package and doesn't include shipping.

Without any modifications to the system itself, you could still add an external pump and run the wort back through the grain after lifting the basket out to clear it up. But now we're $2600 + shipping into a homebrew system.

I don't mind the "spam" since there's some decent discussion coming from it; could have tried being a little less underhanded about presenting it though. Hard to trust him going forward with all that money. Edit: The selling tactic stinks.
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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 09:15:38 AM »
The company is legit. That Braumeister has been on the German market for a while now and I have mentioned it briefly in other forums before.

Kai

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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 09:48:06 AM »
Hello Kai,
yes I am - was not so hard to find out  ;)
Just wanted to get an opinion and an idea if the system is known.

To be honest - we are working on an us-version of the braumeister with 110V.

The advantage of the system is the easy handling of the whole process and a
very exact control of the temperature. At the end of the day the most important thing
is the taste and quality of the beer. And this was confirmed many times by our customers.
Efficency with 20l wort sems second-rate for us.

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Re: brewing kettle
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 08:53:59 PM »
To be honest - we are working on an us-version of the braumeister with 110V.

cool, let us know when it is introduced to the American market.

Kai