I put my own kit together and used 4 lbs. Munich, 2 lbs. Carared, 6.4 oz. Melanoidin (I meant to use 8 oz, but 6.4 was all I had), 3 lbs. Extra Light DME, and hops - no additional sugar added. When I use Beer Smith I am usually within a point from being dead on, if not dead on.