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Offline roguejim

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Tell me about Mash Hopping
« on: April 14, 2012, 12:48:54 AM »
I've never employed mash hopping.  I've been told by some that the overall effect is minimal.  However, I see it used by some reputable homebrewers.  Is it comparable to a flavor addition...10-15 minute?  How many IBUs does it contribute?  What can I expect from it?  Thanks. 

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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2012, 06:20:24 AM »
You might get some flavor, some say you can get a little more IBUs.  But at mash temp the isomorization reaction will be slow, and you might get 1 IBU? It might help with the run off.  I have done it as in the old Pliny the Elder recipe that had mash hops, and I did it without the mash hops.  With all of the other hops in there, no difference was noticed in the beers.

I think it is a way to use more hops, so one can say my beer was even mashed hopped to get all that hoppy goodness in to the beer. Makes one feel superior.  Until you hear about adding hops to the sparge water. Then you feel inadequate.
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 06:32:16 AM »
Makes one feel superior.  Until you hear about adding hops to the sparge water. Then you feel inadequate.

I hop my Star San. Top that!  :P
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 07:54:28 AM »
I think it's a big waste of hops for what you get out of it.

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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 11:07:52 AM »
You're better of with a first-wort hop than a mash-hop. I don't bother with these techniques anymore as their effect is minimal at best. Straight into the boil they go in my brewery- save those other hops for dry hopping.
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 11:37:10 AM »
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I hop my Star San. Top that! 

The best I can do is sparge water hop and mash hop  :-\ Unless, I put hops in the water filter and use it like a Randal when I filter my water for brewing.  ???
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 12:13:00 PM »
You're better of with a first-wort hop than a mash-hop. I don't bother with these techniques anymore as their effect is minimal at best. Straight into the boil they go in my brewery- save those other hops for dry hopping.

I've never tried mash hopping, and probably won't, but I do FWH quite a bit.  I think that has more than a minimal impact to the flavor.
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 04:46:09 PM »
I recently heard John Palmer and Gordon Strong speak on this topic. Both of them said it was basically a waste of hops. You get almost zero isomerization. The only benefit was filtration and "rice hulls are cheaper." They then went on to say that First Wort Hopping was the better option. Hope this helps. Cheers!

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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 12:26:46 PM »
Well, it's unanimous then.  Just don't tell Tasty McDole or Nathan Smith! ;D

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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
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Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 12:46:26 PM »
I think it's a big waste of hops for what you get out of it.

I agree. Maybe back when hops were cheap as dirt it was worth it on some level but not now.
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 12:47:03 PM »
Well, it's unanimous then.  Just don't tell Tasty McDole or Nathan Smith! ;D

Hey, I'd be happy to tell them!  Despite what they say, I have my own experience and that wins every single time.
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 12:52:40 PM »
Well, it's unanimous then.  Just don't tell Tasty McDole or Nathan Smith! ;D

Hey, I'd be happy to tell them!  Despite what they say, I have my own experience and that wins every single time.

I was watching a recent Brewing TV episode with Nathan Smith and his comment on the hops in the sparge water was something like 'Hey it's not a double IPA if you don't waste hops right?"
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 04:00:18 PM »
I'd say it's a West coast mindset on hops, but he (Smith) is from Minnesota, so I guess it is just a hophead's mindset.....

 
Well, it's unanimous then.  Just don't tell Tasty McDole or Nathan Smith! ;D

Hey, I'd be happy to tell them!  Despite what they say, I have my own experience and that wins every single time.

I was watching a recent Brewing TV episode with Nathan Smith and his comment on the hops in the sparge water was something like 'Hey it's not a double IPA if you don't waste hops right?"

Waste not, want not. I am just remembering back to the hop shortage year....
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Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2012, 05:03:34 PM »
There's been a hop shortage ever since that year. Not as bad, but still a shortage.
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