[beerocd]

Oh thank god... I was NOT going to be the first one to quote Mr. Pink.

So you make a bunch last night? At least in the first half, right?

[a10t2]

Nope, we were completely dead. I guess everyone took care of the food for their parties ahead of time. I didn't mind, really - we got 8 inches of snow Friday, so this weekend was crazy. Friday to Sunday I worked 31 hours.

I actually managed not to find out about the game until I could get home to watch it. Touch and go there for a while, but I was loving the second half.

[loopy]

good replies, but it seems to me that the fundamental part of what I was getting at was never mentioned. 
I feel like the fee + expected tip is tipping twice. 

Like, in a hotel, when you order room service and they have a 10 or 15% delivery charge.  Sometimes they tell you honesty the tip is included sometimes they just hover waiting for the second.

Or in restraruants, when the tip is included in the bill.  I have seen this done, and it almost always is delivered by bringing the bill in a non-itemized way.  When you ask to see the bill they get rude because they did not want you to see the 15% gratuity and are counting on you to tip them again.

I see the pizza charge as the same thing.  It kinda made sense back in 2008 when they brought it out, gas was 4bucks a gallon, but now gas is back at 2.30, and the jacked up fee is still there.  I dont want to tip twice, and I damn sure dont want to be forced to tip at all and then expected to feel generous after the fact.   

I do not tip at macdonalds, nor do I tip at chinese buffet restraraunts - ie places you are expected to carry your own tray, to pick up your food at the counter and bus your own trash.  I also do not tip at the places that have the crappy "tip" jar on the counter ~coffee places, smaller mom+pop restraraunts and stores, ie if I do the work, I aint giving you a tip just because you ran the register and took my money.  I dont think any of those are quite the same as the case from the original post tho. 

[glitterbug]

good replies, but it seems to me that the fundamental part of what I was getting at was never mentioned. 
I feel like the fee + expected tip is tipping twice. 

It was mentioned 3 times on the first page 

[theDarkSide]

Tipping is not a city in China!

[dimik]

I leave tips when going out. I never ever leave tips when getting some pizza, because cutting a piece of pizza does not involve any labor. And I never order food to be delivered.

Now, working in a jewish catering for the last 5 years, I saw a grand total of $30 in tips, and all of it was in a single wedding (bride's father was happy). That's right. No tips, EVER. After hundreds of weddings...
On another occasion, we went to Niagara Falls for their passover and worked like slaves for 10 days straight. Since we had the same tables for the entire duration, we all got to know our clients and found out, that the caterer was charging a lot from each person as a charge for waiter services. I'll let you guess if we saw more than 10% of that money... And that's why I never ever did those jobs again.
The only times one does get tipped in on private parties and only if the caterer is not a completely greedy bastard, which is rare, I know only two and they're brothers, and literally shakes the client for a tip for the guys.

So... LEAVE SOME TIPS FOR THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE THAT FEED YOU!!!

Lol, seriously, it's very pleasant

[dean]

I leave tips when going out. I never ever leave tips when getting some pizza, because cutting a piece of pizza does not involve any labor. And I never order food to be delivered.

Now, working in a jewish catering for the last 5 years, I saw a grand total of $30 in tips, and all of it was in a single wedding (bride's father was happy). That's right. No tips, EVER. After hundreds of weddings...
On another occasion, we went to Niagara Falls for their passover and worked like slaves for 10 days straight. Since we had the same tables for the entire duration, we all got to know our clients and found out, that the caterer was charging a lot from each person as a charge for waiter services. I'll let you guess if we saw more than 10% of that money... And that's why I never ever did those jobs again.
The only times one does get tipped in on private parties and only if the caterer is not a completely greedy bastard, which is rare, I know only two and they're brothers, and literally shakes the client for a tip for the guys.

So... LEAVE SOME TIPS FOR THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE THAT FEED YOU!!!

Lol, seriously, it's very pleasant

I pretty much agree with that if all employers are equal, but they aren't... some TAKE every Advantage Offered to them and then expect everyone else to believe they don't make any money.  If they aren't making money, get out of the business... thats what a smart investor would do wouldn't they?   

 Unless of course there is someone or A Body that protects you, insuring that you can 't possibly fail.  Sounds like some banks eh?     Really, its almost "mafia like".  Look what our government has become... they assumed the role of... think about it, same game, different name.  Speak out and you're on a list.

[dean]

I just looked at my last post, I don't know what I was on about.... must have zoned when I was typing it?      Sorry for the rant I guess.   

Anyway, I agree with dimik, if someone provides you with a good product or service... do your business with them and if you feel like tipping them, do it... it can't hurt unless you're unable to afford it.  But it shouldn't be expected as part of the transaction in order to fulfill the business employee's hourly wage.  I don't tip salespeople, they draw an agreed upon "commision" from the business they represent.  Maybe thats the way some of these places should go, but then they would have to advertise their prices without any hidden fees.  This thread is interesting because it was a topic on the morning news the other day... the hidden charges that businesses charge, including restocking fees etc.

[central_wa_brewing]

T- to
I- insure
P- proper
S- service
I like to start out with a $5 tip on first order.  Guess what, your server/bartender is going to take good care of you( I know because I bartended to pay my way through college).  If he/she is not taking care of you, I'm going to sit there and buy more drinks and take up a bar stool or two and get my money out of it and then never go back with that server on shift.  If you don't tip off the get-go, you're chancing it.  Bartenders aren't there for stuff-n-giggles. 
I believe everyone should work in the food service industry just once to learn courtesy. 

[euge]

I waited tables, was a bartender and did the pizza thing for years and years and years. Made decent cash.

Really no-one can do these jobs without the tips. There's a hierarchy in the industry- some get a better hourly wage and make more money even- but quick cash burns brightly. Anyway, delivery guys, waiters and bartenders will do some serious bank but the all the work runs at a high stress level and pace all the time. For everybody. And the dimwitted ones end up at the Kettle. Cars wear out quickly under the pizza sign.

I worked my way through college and beyond on tips. And a few peak hours a week can bring in plenty of fast cash.

It's ingrained in American culture. Over-tipping occurs much more frequently than no tip at all in my experience.

The movie "Waiting" is disturbingly accurate.
 

[dimik]

LOL!
Yeah, "Waiting" is indeed disturbingly accurate.

[denny]

T- to
I- insure
P- proper
S- service

Well, not really...

Claim:   The word "tip" comes from an acronym for "To Insure Promptness" or "To Insure Performance."

Status:   False

http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/tip.asp

[bluesman]

I'm certainly getting my mileage out of this thread. 

[beersk]

Nope, this here's all you need to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38

I usually tip 15% minimum for okay service and around 20% for good service.  Sometimes if I get really bad service I leave a poor tip.  But for a $10 pizza and a $2.50 delivery charge, I ain't throwing anything extra in.  That $2.50 charge is ENOUGH if not too much, especially for that mediocre cardboard pizza.

[euge]

From my experiences the Driver sees exactly zero of that $2.50. It goes straight to the "store" and is extra profit. Delivery Driver typically gets paid $0.50-1.50 per delivery to compensate for gas. Depending on size of delivery area, actual mileage, fuel economy and the state of fuel prices most of that gets eaten up just by working. When Katrina hit I was still working on weekends and going to school. Gas shot up from $1.80 to $3.80 overnight and management refused to adjust (even temporarily) to the situation, but instituted a $2.50 delivery charge instead. Of which we got no part I can assure you and our tips suffered. I could no longer afford to work and had to quit.

My preferences now are for frozen pizza or those Sam's/Costco deli jobs. One quarter to half the price of delivered and often quicker to the table. I keep two in the deep-freeze at all times.

And nothing extra to pay...

I don't like to reward poor service either. But, everyone should at least experience these types of jobs to get a perspective. Ever seen "Scared Straight"? If anyone ever needed convincing to get a good education they should try waiting tables for a while.

It is what it is.