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Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« on: May 02, 2012, 01:34:16 PM »
Hey Guys,

I am brewing the MoreBeer! Pliny the elder extract clone tomorrow.  Very excited to give this beer a try!  When I ordered it I forgot to get two packs of Wyeast American II yeast.  I don't have the means to make a starter at this point.  I do have an extra Safale US-05 that I could use along with the Wyeast or should I just use the Wyeast?  I will be keeping this in my primary fermenter for 2 weeks and then transferring it to the secondary for dry hopping.  If I use the two yeast packs do I have to worry about blowing the lid off my fermenter?  I could just make a blowoff tube with my siphon tube.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks!
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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 01:43:21 PM »
I do have an extra Safale US-05 that I could use along with the Wyeast or should I just use the Wyeast? 

One Wyeast pack definitely won't be enough
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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 01:49:30 PM »
I don't have the means to make a starter at this point.  I do have an extra Safale US-05 that I could use along with the Wyeast or should I just use the Wyeast? 

There really is not a lot of equipment required to make a starter. I use a half gallon growler and a bit of DME. I use about 5oz of dme in 3.5 cups of water. bring it to a boil for 5-10 minutes, cool, add to growler, pitch yeast and cover with foil. Shake it whenever I remember.

Whats the OG for the kit?

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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 01:54:33 PM »
The OG is 1.070 - 1.074.  I will see if there is something I can do a starter in but I just filled my growler today haha.  Would pitching the Safale and Wyeast together work well? I also don't have any extra DME or LME for a starter...
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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 01:59:03 PM »
Hey Guys,

I am brewing the MoreBeer! Pliny the elder extract clone tomorrow.  Very excited to give this beer a try!  When I ordered it I forgot to get two packs of Wyeast American II yeast.  I don't have the means to make a starter at this point.  I do have an extra Safale US-05 that I could use along with the Wyeast or should I just use the Wyeast?  I will be keeping this in my primary fermenter for 2 weeks and then transferring it to the secondary for dry hopping.  If I use the two yeast packs do I have to worry about blowing the lid off my fermenter?  I could just make a blowoff tube with my siphon tube.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks!

I agree, make a starter if you can.  Yet, I've heard from several people that US-05 and Wyeast 1056 are the same strain, so maybe you could just pitch both and be OK.  You may want to check w/ a yeast calculator like http://www.mrmalty.com/.  I've never done this before, so I couldn't tell you exactly how it would turn out.

As for transferring to a secondary to dry hop, you can skip this step.  Just throw your dry hops into your primary.  I dry hop my pale ales and IPAs in my primary all the time and they come out great.  I usually go 2-3 weeks then dry hop for 5-7 days and keg after that.
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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 02:03:20 PM »
Hey Guys,

I am brewing the MoreBeer! Pliny the elder extract clone tomorrow.  Very excited to give this beer a try!  When I ordered it I forgot to get two packs of Wyeast American II yeast.  I don't have the means to make a starter at this point.  I do have an extra Safale US-05 that I could use along with the Wyeast or should I just use the Wyeast?  I will be keeping this in my primary fermenter for 2 weeks and then transferring it to the secondary for dry hopping.  If I use the two yeast packs do I have to worry about blowing the lid off my fermenter?  I could just make a blowoff tube with my siphon tube.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks!

I agree, make a starter if you can.  Yet, I've heard from several people that US-05 and Wyeast 1056 are the same strain, so maybe you could just pitch both and be OK.  You may want to check w/ a yeast calculator like http://www.mrmalty.com/.  I've never done this before, so I couldn't tell you exactly how it would turn out.

As for transferring to a secondary to dry hop, you can skip this step.  Just throw your dry hops into your primary.  I dry hop my pale ales and IPAs in my primary all the time and they come out great.  I usually go 2-3 weeks then dry hop for 5-7 days and keg after that.

Yea I have read that they are the same strain as well so that is why I was wondering if it would be OK.  I will give it a try and see what happens.  Next order I make (No LHBS) I will make sure I get the necessary equipment for a starter.  The main reason I will be switching to secondary is to free up my primary fermentation bucket for my next beer (Summer Wheat IPA).  Thanks for the help guys!
Primary: Hoppy Red Ale
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Secondary: DFH 90 Minute Clone
Bottled: Summer Wheat IPA, Pliny the Elder, Brown Bear IIBA, Sunny Sierra Blonde Ale
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Finished: Columbus IPA (Drank) Irish Red Ale (Drank) Gnaria IIPA (First Recipe), Citra IPA(Drank), GRK Ale (Drank)

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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 02:27:01 PM »
The only issue I see is that WY1272 is not WY1056, so not the same strain as US-05, I think it might work out, but I don't know enough about yeast to be sure.
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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2012, 02:40:54 PM »
Hey Guys,

I am brewing the MoreBeer! Pliny the elder extract clone tomorrow.  Very excited to give this beer a try!  When I ordered it I forgot to get two packs of Wyeast American II yeast.  I don't have the means to make a starter at this point.  I do have an extra Safale US-05 that I could use along with the Wyeast or should I just use the Wyeast?  I will be keeping this in my primary fermenter for 2 weeks and then transferring it to the secondary for dry hopping.  If I use the two yeast packs do I have to worry about blowing the lid off my fermenter?  I could just make a blowoff tube with my siphon tube.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks!

I agree, make a starter if you can.  Yet, I've heard from several people that US-05 and Wyeast 1056 are the same strain, so maybe you could just pitch both and be OK.  You may want to check w/ a yeast calculator like http://www.mrmalty.com/.  I've never done this before, so I couldn't tell you exactly how it would turn out.

As for transferring to a secondary to dry hop, you can skip this step.  Just throw your dry hops into your primary.  I dry hop my pale ales and IPAs in my primary all the time and they come out great.  I usually go 2-3 weeks then dry hop for 5-7 days and keg after that.

Yea I have read that they are the same strain as well so that is why I was wondering if it would be OK.  I will give it a try and see what happens.  Next order I make (No LHBS) I will make sure I get the necessary equipment for a starter.  The main reason I will be switching to secondary is to free up my primary fermentation bucket for my next beer (Summer Wheat IPA).  Thanks for the help guys!

WY1056 and Us-05 may have come from the same source (and no one knows that for sure) but there are differences in the beer that each produces.  Not to mention that you have 1272, not 1056!  You don't need a growler or flask to make a starter....a glass or plastic gal. jug from milk, apple juice, or wine works fine.  You will need some extract.  You may be able to find a beverage called Malta Goya, which is pretty much like wort, and use that for your starter if you can't get extract.  Worst case, pitch the 1272 and 05....although I've had great luck in beers of that strength with just a pack of 05.
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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 04:13:28 PM »
I was wondering why folks were talking about 1056...anyway, I would just rehydrate and pitch the Safale.  Save your 1272 for another batch and make a starter.
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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 05:45:59 PM »
I also have another Safale US-05 coming either Friday or Monday with some ingredients I got for a DFH 90 Minute so I could always add some of that when it gets here.  I would wait for that to come but tomorrow is the best day for me to brew because of work.
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Finished: Columbus IPA (Drank) Irish Red Ale (Drank) Gnaria IIPA (First Recipe), Citra IPA(Drank), GRK Ale (Drank)

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Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 06:08:41 PM »
I also have another Safale US-05 coming either Friday or Monday with some ingredients I got for a DFH 90 Minute so I could always add some of that when it gets here.  I would wait for that to come but tomorrow is the best day for me to brew because of work.

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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 06:11:48 PM »
I also have another Safale US-05 coming either Friday or Monday with some ingredients I got for a DFH 90 Minute so I could always add some of that when it gets here.  I would wait for that to come but tomorrow is the best day for me to brew because of work.

AFAIAC, if you don't have the yeast ready, you're no more ready to brew than if you don't have malt or hops.


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I know it's just difficult when you order everything online and have a little oversight.  Do you suggest not brewing or do you think I will be fine with one US-05?
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Bottled: Summer Wheat IPA, Pliny the Elder, Brown Bear IIBA, Sunny Sierra Blonde Ale
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Finished: Columbus IPA (Drank) Irish Red Ale (Drank) Gnaria IIPA (First Recipe), Citra IPA(Drank), GRK Ale (Drank)

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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2012, 06:16:12 PM »
I also have another Safale US-05 coming either Friday or Monday with some ingredients I got for a DFH 90 Minute so I could always add some of that when it gets here.  I would wait for that to come but tomorrow is the best day for me to brew because of work.

AFAIAC, if you don't have the yeast ready, you're no more ready to brew than if you don't have malt or hops.


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I know it's just difficult when you order everything online and have a little oversight.  Do you suggest not brewing or do you think I will be fine with one US-05?

What is the targeted gravity for the kit?

If it's 1.070, then you will need about 250 billion cells or 14 gms of rehydrated yeast.  Which equates to 1.25 packs of dry yeast. In this case, wait until you get more yeast then brew the beer.
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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2012, 06:18:16 PM »
I have found my solution.  I will brew my Summer Wheat IPA http://hopville.com/recipe/1315853/american-ipa-recipes/summertime-wheat-ipa using the Wyeast tomorrow and then I will wait until I get the US-05 and brew the Pliny next week.  (Trying to brew once a week for as long as possible)  Will two packets of the Safale US-05 blow the top off my fermenter?
Primary: Hoppy Red Ale
Primary II: Hoppit IIPA
Secondary: DFH 90 Minute Clone
Bottled: Summer Wheat IPA, Pliny the Elder, Brown Bear IIBA, Sunny Sierra Blonde Ale
On Deck: Barkeater Brown Ale
Finished: Columbus IPA (Drank) Irish Red Ale (Drank) Gnaria IIPA (First Recipe), Citra IPA(Drank), GRK Ale (Drank)

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Re: Pliny The Elder Brew Day Tomorrow - Yeast Question
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2012, 06:25:01 PM »
IIRC, you can make and pitch a started in as little as 18 hours, according to "Yeast" by White and Zainasheff.  "Most starters ... reach their maximum cell density within 12 to 18 hours.Low iunnoculation rates and low temps can extend that time out to 36 hours or more, but the bulk of the growth will be complete within 24 hours."  Make it now, pitch in 24 hours.
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