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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2012, 05:48:37 PM »
piny, while it also can be spelled piney, even without the e its still pronouced py-knee. i'll guarantee there are hundreds of other examples for both sides.

In any case, I, for one, even if its wrong, call it ply-knee because it sounds better to my ears.

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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2012, 06:32:37 PM »
And Vesuvius erupted on August 24th, which just happens to be my birthday.

In whose calendar?  ;)
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2012, 07:09:15 PM »
How do you pronounce the "sauvin" in Nelson Sauvin? I say ply-knee too, but only because other people pronounced it first, and I just went along with it. I'm such a conformist.
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2012, 07:10:57 PM »
And Vesuvius erupted on August 24th, which just happens to be my birthday.

In whose calendar?  ;)

With a bit of basic research you can figure that out for yourself.
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2012, 07:18:42 PM »
Also, why is "wort" pronounced "wert" and not "vert?" I barely remember high school Deutsch, but I'm pretty sure w's make a v sound.
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2012, 07:41:07 PM »
I'm watching the Cubs at SF.  Melky Cabrera is at bat.  How do you suppose he pronounces his first name?

FWIW Melky got a base hit.

Based on Latin pronunciations, it makes more sense that Pliny would be pronounced plee knee rather than ply knee.
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2012, 08:02:08 PM »
Well, the beer is named Ply-nee according to Vinnie and the ancient writer is named Plinny.  I think I can live with the discrepancy.
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2012, 08:37:42 PM »
Based on Latin pronunciations, it makes more sense that Pliny would be pronounced plee knee rather than ply knee.

+1 Latin pronunciation (and Italian for that matter) does not have the "ih" vowel or the "ei" diphthong at all.  At least that is what my diction professors have all instructed.  It only has a pure "ee" sound for the i or an i modifying a consonant, such is the case with the proper pronunciation of the name Giovanni (hint not djeeovanni).  Consequently, the correct pronunciation would be Pleenee.

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As for that example, it's a standard British colloquial pronunciation.  It is similar to the spelling differences from "gray" to "grey"...both correct.  We in America have terrible pronunciation for several words including aluminum and jaguar.
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2012, 08:45:38 PM »
We in America have terrible pronunciation for several words including aluminum and jaguar.

Indeed, we even have a President who likes to sing the praises of Navy Corpse Man Christian Bouchard...   :o
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2012, 05:50:09 AM »
We in America have terrible pronunciation for several words including aluminum and jaguar.

The "Aluminum / Aluminium" thing is a remnant from early American history. I don't have the dates exactly, but aluminum was discovered around colonial times. It was called "aluminum." The US became independent, then the British Royal Society decided to go through their element names and standardize the ending. Aluminum was just one of the elements that was changed from a "um" to "ium" ending. Since Americans no longer cared about the Royal Society, we kept our spelling and pronunciation the same.
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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2012, 09:16:15 AM »
Since Americans no longer cared about the Royal Society, we kept our spelling and pronunciation the same.

Yes, it never made it on to the schedule of things to be changed.
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2012, 12:41:54 PM »
I've heard both DOO-vƏl...

That's pretty accurate, but if you want to be picky, the "OO" is a sound that isn't in the English language. The best way I can think to describe it is it's somewhere between "UH" and "OO" but focused just behind the teeth.
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2012, 12:46:31 PM »
Riddle me this theoman...  Gueuze?
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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2012, 12:56:23 PM »
Riddle me this theoman...  Gueuze?
Aw, snap. Ya got me. Of course, the explanation is that it's not a word of Dutch origin.

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Re: Just sayin
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2012, 02:47:07 PM »
Riddle me this theoman...  Gueuze?
Aw, snap. Ya got me. Of course, the explanation is that it's not a word of Dutch origin.

Not trying for a gotcha, truly interested in knowing the correct pronunciation.  I know the beer,  I'd to be able to call it something besides "yum!"
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