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melanoidin in an amber?
« on: June 25, 2012, 06:40:20 PM »
first off, it was awesome to meet so many of you throughout the conference. it was my first, and I was blown away. I definitely plan to attend more, but I doubt I can afford every year.

I wanted to make an amber beer, and I'm typically not big on ambers. I was thinking about changing it up a bit and going with a melanoidin malt, which I've never used. one of my clubmates said this was a bad idea and inappropriate for an amber, but I think they were worried more about style guidelines. I just want to try it out, but I also don't want to waste a batch of beer.

is there any reason why this absolutely would not work? if it comes out funky I'd be okay with that, as I said I don't really like ambers. if it comes out awful, that's another matter. thoughts?

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7# maris otter
1.5# munich 10
1.5# melanoidin
1# crystal 80

1 oz centennial FWH
1 oz cascade flameout

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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 07:15:00 PM »
Hops are still a major star in an Am amber, so I feel that malt complexity is not welcome in this style.  Simplicity and focus seem to be the best way to let the hops and malt play in this style.
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 09:06:48 PM »
Theres nothing wrong with adding it but I would cut it back to no more than .75#
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 10:21:49 PM »
I agree with EHall, if you don't care about the style guidelines throw some in, but 1.5# would be too much for me.  I wouldn't go with more than 0.5#.
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 04:45:31 AM »
I agree with EHall, if you don't care about the style guidelines throw some in, but 1.5# would be too much for me.  I wouldn't go with more than 0.5#.

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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 06:49:00 AM »
I just put .25 lbs in an amber recently, and I think it tastes quite nice. It was a 3 gallon batch. I'm pretty sure Denny uses it in his Waldo Lake Amber as well.
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2012, 07:19:10 AM »
I agree with EHall, if you don't care about the style guidelines throw some in, but 1.5# would be too much for me.  I wouldn't go with more than 0.5#.

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I've used it in 'American Amber' myself and it works quite nicely.   I would keep it around 0.25#  or as Tom points out, no more than 0.5#, at least in this beer.   But if you want more of the malt character (like there is in at least a few commercial examples I've had), go for it. 
Besides, you can always adjust the amount higher or lower to your own taste if you make a second batch.

For me personally, the rule of thumb for questions like this one  has always been "when in doubt, just try it."
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2012, 07:37:25 AM »
I just put .25 lbs in an amber recently, and I think it tastes quite nice. It was a 3 gallon batch. I'm pretty sure Denny uses it in his Waldo Lake Amber as well.

Waldo Lake Amber is still the best amber I've ever brewed. I now use the malt bill and adjust the hops to my tastes.

I like a more complex malt profile than an American Pale or an English Bitter, but you should err on the side of fewer, higher quality malts than more types of malts. Since malt profile is secondary to hops (although a closer second than pale), "complex" can turn to "muddy" fairly easily.
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melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2012, 08:25:52 AM »
I just put .25 lbs in an amber recently, and I think it tastes quite nice. It was a 3 gallon batch. I'm pretty sure Denny uses it in his Waldo Lake Amber as well.

I use carared, not melanoidin.  The 2 seem very different to me.  I use. couple lb. in 5 gal.


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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 09:49:25 AM »
I just put .25 lbs in an amber recently, and I think it tastes quite nice. It was a 3 gallon batch. I'm pretty sure Denny uses it in his Waldo Lake Amber as well.

I use carared, not melanoidin.  The 2 seem very different to me.  I use. couple lb. in 5 gal.


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My apologies. I should have looked at the recipe before I  spoke for it.
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2012, 10:48:24 AM »
I was looking at the same thing a few months ago, because I find a lot of American Ambers to have a bit too much "crystal malt character," which I don't find appealing. Rather than use melanoidin malt, I just upped the munich to 35% of the grain bill. I now have a nice, dry and refreshing amber, with nice hop flavor and a toasty malt backbone.
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 06:01:22 AM »
I just put .25 lbs in an amber recently, and I think it tastes quite nice. It was a 3 gallon batch. I'm pretty sure Denny uses it in his Waldo Lake Amber as well.

I use carared, not melanoidin.  The 2 seem very different to me.  I use. couple lb. in 5 gal.


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My apologies. I should have looked at the recipe before I  spoke for it.

Just an FYI, The NB recipe sheet indicates 2.0# Carared, .50# Melanoiden
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 08:21:19 AM »
Just an FYI, The NB recipe sheet indicates 2.0# Carared, .50# Melanoiden

Which is correct.  I was so tired yesterday I overlooked that when I looked at my recipe notes.  I appreciate the correction.
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 08:37:21 AM »
Just an FYI, The NB recipe sheet indicates 2.0# Carared, .50# Melanoiden

Which is correct.  I was so tired yesterday I overlooked that when I looked at my recipe notes.  I appreciate the correction.

Glad to help. I'm actually going to be brewing this soon so I had just purchased the ingredients.
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Re: melanoidin in an amber?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 08:34:22 AM »
Is an amber with Munich/melanoidin character not going to wind up being closer to an alt?
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