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Suggestions for Saison
« on: July 07, 2012, 06:02:29 PM »
Im brewing my first Saison tomorrow using wlp565 and adding rye, crystal10, cardamom and either mango or plum. Is there any suggestions to adding fruit to primary? Any other suggestions are also welcome, thanks.

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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2012, 06:11:54 PM »
For a first Saison I'd just go with you're malt, a lb of sugar and skip the fruit entirely to get a true feel for the yeast. I'd skip the crystal too if you want a nice dry saison. If I was gonna use fruit, I'd probably freeze it first. I'd add fruit to a secondary and I don't know how strong the mango would come through. But, its up to you. I've not used cardamom but I've been cautioned its very strong and to go easy.

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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2012, 06:32:24 PM »
I do want a dry Saison so i will skip the crystal. Still up in the air about the fruit, but am definitely waiting till secondary to add if I go that route. Thanks

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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2012, 07:31:37 PM »
If you want do do fruit do it as a secondary addition for the most flavor. Add it after all or most of the primary fermentation is finished.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 03:39:44 PM »
What's the best way to add fruit to secondary? Do I need to worry about wild yeast kicking off a second fermentation?

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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 07:10:02 PM »
The fruit sugar will kick off a second fermentation anyway.
Most advice I've heard is to freeze the fruit. This breaks up the cells and then add it (thawed) to the secondary. No need to worry about sterilizing it because the alcohol and lower pH will keep the bugs at bay.

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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 06:33:46 PM »
Puree the fruit. Easy cleanup. Also, I would either go with rye and cardamom OR fruit. Not both. But if you already brewed it, then what the hell, might as well bottle and drink it!
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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 07:20:49 PM »
Although I love the super fruitiness of the Belgian (DuPont) strain, it is a big pain in the butt. It is sllllooooowwwww. I just made a French Saison and that stuff finished at 1.006 in 5 days! It's definitely not as fruity but it's subtlety just as great (not to mention it's power).

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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2012, 07:44:51 AM »
I have found it is not necessary to secondary with fruit. Just add to primary after most of fermentation is complete...headspace permitting of course.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2012, 04:56:23 PM »
Well I added the puréed mango to the secondary after about to weeks in primary. Gave it another 10 days or so in secondary then kegged last week. Just tried it and it's not bad but can hardly pick up on the mango if at all. Oh well there's always next time

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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 06:57:30 PM »
I tried using mango in a wit beer and I also could barely pick it up.  Seems like you have to use a pretty large amount I guess.  I'm not sure if i will be going that route again though.
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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 05:25:36 AM »
I do want a dry Saison so i will skip the crystal. Still up in the air about the fruit, but am definitely waiting till secondary to add if I go that route. Thanks

You can always put a gallon or two on fruit in gallon jugs and bottle the remainder as is.
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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2012, 06:49:09 AM »
I do want a dry Saison so i will skip the crystal. Still up in the air about the fruit, but am definitely waiting till secondary to add if I go that route. Thanks

You can always put a gallon or two on fruit in gallon jugs and bottle the remainder as is.

+1, I just did this with a saison. Havn't tasted the fruited example yet though (it was persian mulberries)
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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2012, 07:12:26 AM »
Well I added the puréed mango to the secondary after about to weeks in primary. Gave it another 10 days or so in secondary then kegged last week. Just tried it and it's not bad but can hardly pick up on the mango if at all. Oh well there's always next time

So how much mango do you add per gallon?
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Re: Suggestions for Saison
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2012, 07:31:43 AM »
Well I added the puréed mango to the secondary after about to weeks in primary. Gave it another 10 days or so in secondary then kegged last week. Just tried it and it's not bad but can hardly pick up on the mango if at all. Oh well there's always next time

So how much mango do you add per gallon?

Generally with fruit I'd go 1 lb to a gallon for FRESH/frozen fruit not puree. Puree its more like .75 lb per gallon. For something like strawberries which are rather subtle I'd double that ratio. May want to try that with mango as well. So 10 lbs of fresh mango for a 5 gallon batch or 7.5 lbs of puree.
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