[nateo]

Review them at your leisure. Whatever works for you guys is fine. About the heat: I've gotten feedback from one person so far, and they didn't mention any major flaws like skunking or anything like that, so I think they should be fine. It's not optimal, but that's what I get for doing this in July.

[denny]

Heat doesn't cause skunking...light does.

[nateo]

Heat doesn't cause skunking...light does.

What would heat cause?

[garc_mall]

Heat doesn't cause skunking...light does.

What would heat cause?

quicker oxidation.

[nateo]

I'm getting some good feedback so far. I'm working on synthesizing it into a useful format now. I'll have some charts and graphs when it's all done. I'll also release my detailed notes on recipe and process at that time. This thread is getting pretty long, so I'll probably start a new thread to house the results, and discussion of the results.

[ajk]

Heat doesn't cause skunking...light does.

What would heat cause?

quicker oxidation.

Quicker everything. :-)

[weithman5]

two down one to go. probably tonight and then i will type up my notes and pm them to you. will also include hard copy in the box i send back.

[nateo]

I really appreciate the chance to try so much great homebrew you guys are sending my way. I've been impressed by the beer's I've gotten so far. Red's Helles was especially good.

[redzim]

I really appreciate the chance to try so much great homebrew you guys are sending my way. I've been impressed by the beer's I've gotten so far. Red's Helles was especially good.

Thanks for the compliment!  I just emailed you my tasting notes / score sheets.  Looking forward to the conclusions....

-red

[jmcamerlengo]

Had a chance to taste the beers last night! I will be sending over tasting notes tonight. Also have some fresh IPA and Saison and Oatmeal Stout going back into the plastic bottles you sent me this weekend and shipping to you Monday next week!

[nateo]

A quick note for those who still need to complete the feedback: If you can provide numerical "scores" for the individual categories, that may be helpful. I've gotten numbers from most of you already, so it may be interesting to see any trends in the hard numbers that might appear.

I know a lot of those scores depend on how "to style" the beer is. I don't want to influence your perceptions too much, so I'd say use your best judgment in deciding what style is most appropriate to compare it to.

I know I said I wasn't interested in scores, per se, so I hope this doesn't mess anyone up. If it turns out to not provide clear data, I'll omit them in the results.

[jeffy]

So if after tasting I had decided what style it best exemplified, then I should go back and score it per that style?  Kinda tricky, but I'll give that a go on my "score" sheets.

[nateo]

So if after tasting I had decided what style it best exemplified, then I should go back and score it per that style?  Kinda tricky, but I'll give that a go on my "score" sheets.

I know it's not ideal, and may in fact be problematic. I was just thinking about how I want to organize the data, and remembering things from the research methods and stats course I took in college.

I'm most interested in comparisons between the beers, and I'm assuming a high level of familiarity with beer in general. Since the difference may or may not be subtle, I'm interested in some sort of numerical scale for "how different/better/worse" they are. So let's say hypothetically a "perfect" light, malt-centric beer gets a 10 for mouthfeel. One of my beers was a 7 in comparison, and another of my beers was a 5 compared to the 7. Is that a feasible way to do that, or is that too confusing and/or arbitrary? 

If you don't feel like you can fairly evaluate them in those terms from your notes and your memory, let me know.

[nateo]

To clarify what I'm looking for with the numbers: I'm interested in capturing the magnitude of difference and preference between the beers. Where the numbers fall on an absolute scale doesn't matter.

So for example, the "overall impressions" category on the BJCP sheet, a 10/10 and a 7/10 is just as useful as a 4/10 and a 1/10, as long as the relative score between the beers is internally consistent.

[weithman5]

i finished and sent my data.  i scored them based on what i thought especially the first beer tasted.  the remainder of samples i tried to provide comparative data to the first. 

i do want to complement Nateo on the samples provided.  good packaging in the bottles. the bottles are labeled with stars, circles, squares (at least mine)  this then is sampled randomly and not in any predisposed order that may be influenced by a, b,c or 1, 2, 3. 

i am going to be sending three beers (all different) to nateo this weekend (monday?) for general technique.  if one of the other participants in this trial is interested in getting a few let me know. by pm