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Offline roguejim

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5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« on: July 19, 2012, 03:19:42 PM »
My LHBS owner swears by this stuff.  Doesn't seem possible that you could have a universal water treatment for all mashes, guaranteed to bring them to 5.2 PH.  What do you guys know about this product?

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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 03:31:46 PM »
Does your LHBS owner have a pH meter?  ;)

AJ DeLange said at the NHC that it will keep the mash from dropping below 5.2. That might be the only thing it does.
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2012, 03:50:45 PM »
It doesn't help (raise mash pH) if your water has low residual alkalinity and you want to brew a dark beer.
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2012, 04:25:25 PM »
I typically have to raise my pH in my mash, and have found that this product doesn't really do anything for me. YMMV, though.
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 07:22:10 PM »
My personal hero Kai Troester said it's mostly sodium, and it might keep your mash pH from rising over 5.8, at best, but probably doesn't do anything. It definitely adds about 100ppm of sodium to your beer. So, if you like salty beer, 5.2 stabilizer is really cool. In fact, it's the best!

It's just not physically possible to make a phosphate buffer that buffers to 5.2, end of story.
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2012, 04:13:15 AM »
As AJ says: 5.2 works great for brewers that don't check pH and doesn't work at all for those that do check. 

A smart brewer learns to properly manage their mash pH.
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 06:33:01 AM »
Salts do more than affect the pH.  They also add flavor.

Do you like the taste of sodium phosphate?

Consider other ways of managing pH that are less detrimental to the flavor profile of your finished beer.
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2012, 08:57:23 AM »
Not only did it not control pH for me, it gave my beer a weird(er) taste.  Is that Bob you're talking about, Jim?  You should know better than to listen to him.
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2012, 11:49:51 AM »
Not only did it not control pH for me, it gave my beer a weird(er) taste.  Is that Bob you're talking about, Jim?  You should know better than to listen to him.

Of course, it was Bob!  Ha!  I know he's a salesman first.  I'd just never heard of a "one size fits all" mash treatment.  Give me some credit, man. ;)

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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2012, 11:53:01 AM »
Not only did it not control pH for me, it gave my beer a weird(er) taste.  Is that Bob you're talking about, Jim?  You should know better than to listen to him.

Of course, it was Bob!  Ha!  I know he's a salesman first.  I'd just never heard of a "one size fits all" mash treatment.  Give me some credit, man. ;)

I do....I really doubted that you took him seriously.  If you wanna try the stuff, I have most of a container that I'll never use that you can have....
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2012, 01:22:03 PM »
Bold City brewing here in Jax uses it. I don't think I know enough about tasting beer to say it has any kind of effect, though.

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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2012, 03:20:13 PM »
used to don't no mo...got some comments about mineral finish on a couple beers
was not a bad thing to me but now i opt for a couple handfuls of acid malt in the mash
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2012, 08:50:43 AM »
Bold City brewing here in Jax uses it.

I haven't had their beer, but I think using 5.2 is one of the few things in brewing that is objectively, unequivocally, just plain wrong. You might be able to use it and make good beer , but it's certainly not good because of the 5.2, it's good despite the 5.2. It goes to show you that just because someone is a "pro" doesn't necessarily mean they know the best way to do something.
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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2012, 09:04:21 AM »
Doesn't work for me. I tried it thinking it was going to be the "miracle elixer" for my mash pH. Nope, didn't do a dang thing for me. However - using phosphoric acid, lactic acid and chalk all are ways to bring your mash pH into an acceptable range that actually works.

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Re: 5.2 PH Mash Stabilizer??
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2012, 11:39:36 AM »
Ill second what most have said. I personally dont care for the taste of sodium phosphate in my beer...bleh. Thats about all the stuff is good for is adding sodium.
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