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star san and pbw question
« on: August 28, 2012, 01:02:42 PM »
So I just upgraded my cleaning/sanitizing equipment". My question do I rinse bottles with tap water after using the star san?
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2012, 01:05:58 PM »
no, do not rinse.

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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 01:09:43 PM »
Do not rinse after star san, don't fear the foam!

And as long as the surface is wet, the star san is still keeping the equipment sanitized.
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 01:12:47 PM »
PBW- yes, rinse thoroughly
Star-san- no, it's tricky to let go of your fear of the foam but you must be strong.
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 01:20:04 PM »
Don't Fear The Foam!!!! ;D
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2012, 01:20:16 PM »
Do not rinse after star san, don't fear the foam!

And as long as the surface is wet, the star san is still keeping the equipment sanitized.

I know not to fear the foam, but I always wonder.  How much foam is OK?  Is there a point where I should begin to fear it?

When I empty a carboy, I can wind up with LOTS of foam left inside.
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 01:22:58 PM »
Do not rinse after star san, don't fear the foam!

And as long as the surface is wet, the star san is still keeping the equipment sanitized.

I know not to fear the foam, but I always wonder.  How much foam is OK?  Is there a point where I should begin to fear it?

When I empty a carboy, I can wind up with LOTS of foam left inside.

I like to empty the carboy initially, then put the stopper in and leave it sit for another 10-15 minutes. Most of the foam will turn back into liquid and can then be dumped before filling.
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 01:26:59 PM »
Try this little experiment sometime.  Put some StarSan in a bucket and whip it around such that you generate a cr@pton of foam.  Then open the bucket reach in and pull out the biggest handfull you can and bring your hands together.  Observe how quickly the foam dissipates to non-detectability.  That's what convinced me that as long as you don't have standing fluid you're good to go.  During a transfer having some foam in a carboy for example is helpful to keep oxygen from entering the head space.
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2012, 01:36:17 PM »
Do not rinse after star san, don't fear the foam!

And as long as the surface is wet, the star san is still keeping the equipment sanitized.

I know not to fear the foam, but I always wonder.  How much foam is OK?  Is there a point where I should begin to fear it?

When I empty a carboy, I can wind up with LOTS of foam left inside.

I like to empty the carboy initially, then put the stopper in and leave it sit for another 10-15 minutes. Most of the foam will turn back into liquid and can then be dumped before filling.

+1 if you are worried about it.
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2012, 01:37:56 PM »
I like to add about 1 gallon of starsan into the carboy and then just lay the carboy on its side.  I will turn the carboy every so often to make sure that the entire inside of the carboy gets contact time w/ the starsan.  Then when I need to use the carboy, I turn the carboy upside down to empty the starsan.  This way the carboy is sanitized and there's very little foam.  Before doing this, I would shake up the carboy causing a ton of foam.
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2012, 03:03:15 PM »
Ok so don't rinse the star san,  and rinse the PBW
second question- with a bottle drain tree and bottle washing attachment do i first use the PBW, then run tap water, then run the star san?
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2012, 03:07:40 PM »
Ok so don't rinse the star san,  and rinse the PBW
second question- with a bottle drain tree and bottle washing attachment do i first use the PBW, then run tap water, then run the star san?

It depends.  If you are starting with clean bottles, just rinse with Star-San.  If you still need to get the gunk out, then PBW, rinse and then run the Star-San through.  I put my empties away clean so I don't have to work so hard on bottling day. :D

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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2012, 03:15:52 PM »
i believe most are empty of gunk, so i ill just go with the Star San, thanks for all the input
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2012, 07:54:33 PM »
Clean first, then sanitize.
Rinsing is not cleaning.
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Re: star san and pbw question
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2012, 05:13:00 AM »
I know not to fear the foam, but I always wonder.  How much foam is OK?  Is there a point where I should begin to fear it?

When I empty a carboy, I can wind up with LOTS of foam left inside.

For a carboy, I try to get most of it out but don't worry if there is some still in there.  The guy from Five Star said the foam actually breaks down and is beneficial to the yeast.  For bottling, I let the drain on the tree but again don't worry if there is a lot of foam.

When I keg, it's actually fun to watch the huge foam snake come out of the top as I fill.   ;D
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