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Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« on: February 15, 2010, 09:50:03 PM »
Too many variables for a simple answer?  I don't know.
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 05:21:29 AM »
Easiest APA, American IPA - throw more hops in!  Water chemistry more easilty dealt with especially around 11-12 SRM.

Most difficult - Light lager - Helles - can't hide anything in there.  Faults stick out like a sore thumb.
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 09:34:31 AM »
I feel that dark beers-porter, stout-tend to mask off flavors, so to me the dark beers are easy. The APA's and IPA aren't bad either.
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 09:48:25 AM »
Easiest APA, American IPA - throw more hops in!

I'll second that emotion.  Hops will mask a lot of off-flavors as long as there are enough of 'em!  :D

I would think that any of the lighter lagers would be difficult, although I haven't brewed many of them.  I would also think that an Eisbock would have to be up there, since the freezing process will magnify any problems with the beer.

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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 10:00:29 AM »
Most difficult - Light lager - Helles - can't hide anything in there.  Faults stick out like a sore thumb.

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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 02:28:02 PM »
Most difficult - Light lager - Helles - can't hide anything in there.  Faults stick out like a sore thumb.

Agreed.

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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 04:33:23 PM »
evidently i have the midas touch, i've never had a bad lager, but our water is perfect for this style of beer and my fermentations have almost always started within 12 hours

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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 06:03:45 PM »
Most difficult - Light lager - Helles - can't hide anything in there.  Faults stick out like a sore thumb.

Agreed.

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Making good Lagers is harder than making good ales.
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 04:20:38 PM »
I only brew ales, so from my perspective a cream ale is the hardest.  The easiest I think is an amber.  My reasing is that, while I agree a porter or stout can mask off flavors, darker beers can easily be overdone with too much acrid bitterness.  Use a couple to many ounces of RB or BP and you have made one undrinkable beer.  An amber on the other hand can take a healthy dose of hops or caramel malts and still be pleasant, while masking off flavors. 

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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2013, 09:52:41 PM »
When this topic comes up, why does no one mention Geuze as the hardest to brew? You essentially would have to have a fantastic sour program to come close to this style... And 3 years is the minimum time!
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 05:44:54 AM »
When this topic comes up, why does no one mention Geuze as the hardest to brew? You essentially would have to have a fantastic sour program to come close to this style... And 3 years is the minimum time!

Probably because so few brewers have actually made a Gueuze that no one even thinks of it.

I agree that APA/IPA is probably the easiest style to make a good example of, but I don't necessarily agree that dark styles like porter or stout are just as easy. It may be easier to make a decent porter because the dark grains do mask fermentation flaws to some extent, but a good one is a bit more elusive. Getting the right balance where you get a roast this isn't too soft, but also isn't acrid can be a challenge. I find that water chemistry is just as important with dark beers as it is with really pale ones.
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2013, 06:39:45 AM »
I make gueuze. It's not that hard. Brew, transfer for aging, make sure airlock is full, wait, repeat, repeat, blend, bottle.

Light lagers are inherently hard.

But am I the only one who thinks that APA/IPA is actually hard? In my area, it seems like if you can brew a passable IPA or APA, you'll be a shoo in for a gold medal. Almost makes me want to brew one!
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2013, 07:32:32 AM »
Bigger and bolder the flavors in the style the easier it is to hide minor errors. Highly hopped beers also inherently avoid infections, which makes them almost impossible to screw up without trying.

Gueuze is not hard, especially with the sour blends you can buy from WY/WL/ECY. Time is doing all your hard work. All you're really doing is making a simple wheat beer and letting it sit. There's definitely a different skill when you're talking about blending but blending is only challenging if you are trying to build a particular flavor profile. If you're just blending the beers you have then there's no skill involved. You're just racking beers together. However, if you are trying to put together a particular flavor profile then it can be quite challenging, especially when you have a small number of beers available to blend.
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2013, 07:33:39 AM »
I guess it's sort of like doing a home improvement job:  If you have the right tools, you can brew anything.  If I had precision temperature control, I could brew lagers, I wasn't able to brew a good dark beer until I figured my brewing water out... and Geuze requires an incredible amount of time and knowledge.
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Re: Most difficult / easiest styles to get right?
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2013, 09:00:18 AM »
I'd say Pumpkin and spice beers are the most difficult to get right.  Most of the time they are awful and over spiced