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Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« on: December 03, 2012, 11:45:36 PM »
Anybody read this thesis? Any thoughts? I noticed the author is scheduled to present this data at the World Brewing Congress Portland 2013. Ran across the info while I was perusing Indie Hops' blog.

http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1957/34093/Wolfe_thesis.pdf?sequence=1

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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 12:24:38 AM »
Anybody read this thesis? Any thoughts? I noticed the author is scheduled to present this data at the World Brewing Congress Portland 2013. Ran across the info while I was perusing Indie Hops' blog.

http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1957/34093/Wolfe_thesis.pdf?sequence=1

Interesting.  I think I'll go out and agitate the Belgian Imperial IPA I'm dry hopping in the garage.  That might be the closest homebrewers can come to stirring.

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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2012, 06:33:50 AM »
Thanks for posting that link. Need another pot of coffee to read through the rest, but good stuff.

Edit. Looks like those that say you get differences in pellets and whole cones are right. This may also show why the Sierra Nevada torpedo has proved usefull for them.
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 07:07:23 AM »
Thanks for the link.  Very interesting indeed. 
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2012, 07:16:38 AM »
wow - thanks for posting.  am going to read it, but its gonna take a while...
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 09:27:52 AM »
Insight in how to get rid of that unpleasant onion/foot aroma with certain hops!

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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2012, 10:06:09 AM »
Insight in how to get rid of that unpleasant onion/foot aroma with certain hops!

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[...]it had been shown that adding granular copper dramatically reduced the presence of currant-like and onion aromas in beer[...]

Hmmm... looks like a Summit/BB IPA may be in the works...
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 10:42:04 AM »
WOT? No comments on the possibility that you may be able to shave "days" off your dry hopping regimen?

The author makes the conclusion that dry hopping (unstirred) for more than 6 hours (with pellets, it was longer for cones) is accomplishing little in the way of additional aroma, and that extended periods of dry hopping are actually counter productive. Torpedo, Randall, Rocket...all used to provide increased aroma.
Could this partly be because of the shorter contact time with the hops?

Also, dry hopped hops still have all their bittering compounds in tact....Could we throw 'em in the freezer and use to bitter the next batch??? I always enjoy saving a few bucks.

I'm planning some experimentation soon.
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 10:44:11 AM »
Kinda looks like I'm doing the right thing...I don't weight the hop bags but I do swirl the fermenter a couple times a day.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 10:49:38 AM »
I had seen references to the aromatics being extracted in 24 hours. Much new stuff here to read and understand.
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 10:51:56 AM »
I have for sure noticed that if I drop a bag of hops in the keg and shake to carb it immediatly has some hop aroma. and I don't notice a significant increase the next day so that actually makes sense to me. by rocking the keg with the hops in there I am extracting most of what will be extracted in just a few minutes/hours. nice.
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 10:55:38 AM »
Kinda looks like I'm doing the right thing...I don't weight the hop bags but I do swirl the fermenter a couple times a day.

It's the time Denny, not the stirring that's the real eye opener here. The stirring is being proposed as an even better/faster way of extraction in a commercial setting.....we don't have or even want the ability to continually agitate in a homebrew situ. Look at the graphs on page 40 & 41. After a day, you're actually decreasing your aroma compounds. It's really some pretty unexpected results. 
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 11:12:38 AM »
Kinda looks like I'm doing the right thing...I don't weight the hop bags but I do swirl the fermenter a couple times a day.

It's the time Denny, not the stirring that's the real eye opener here. The stirring is being proposed as an even better/faster way of extraction in a commercial setting.....we don't have or even want the ability to continually agitate in a homebrew situ. Look at the graphs on page 40 & 41. After a day, you're actually decreasing your aroma compounds. It's really some pretty unexpected results.

Yes.  I just changed my current plan.  As I mentioned above, I've got a Belgian Imperial IPA being dry hopped right now, due to be kegged on Friday.  I am going to add a couple of ounces of Citra that morning before I transfer.

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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 11:26:19 AM »
I have a Bitter on tap that tastes very British. One thing I decided to do was only dry hop for 3 days, as that is about the time the hops would have in the cask before it is empty. Pulled the hops out after 3 days, and it tasted very familiar. 

Also had British malts, hops, WLP-002 and the pale ale water profile with lots of sulfates. :)
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Re: Dry Hopping research - Interesting
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 11:32:33 AM »
It will probably be a while before I can digest all of this, but it sounds like dry-hopping overnight in my bottling bucket, then bottling the next day, may be worth a try sometime soon. Heck, it may be worth a try as a second wave of dry-hopping even if I've done one "traditional" round of dry-hopping in the fermenter.
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