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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2012, 10:52:23 PM »

Mr. Language Person agrees.....

Yeah, that wet hopped, fresh dry hopped session IPA of yours rocks!  :P

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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2012, 08:42:30 AM »
I know that at my grocery, I can buy undried herbs, like basil, parsley, rosemary and cilantro.  They come in special packeages and are kept refrigerated.  They look pretty 'wet' to me. I can also walk over two isles and buy dried herbs, like basil, parsley, rosemary and cilantro.  It is obvious that these are dry, however, only if they are dated do you know if they are fresh.  Same with the refridgerated product.  I don't know of any lingo that translates to all passions, hobbies or vocations.  Like someone said, often it is about marketing and drawing attention to your product.  Is Cognac really just distilled grape alcohol?  Is Champaign just sparkling wine?  Why have appellations and business specific lingo?  Sometimes it is all that sets your product apart from another.  Is there really a difference between bud/miller/coors?  Billions are spent trying to convince you there is....

Dried is used as an adjective to describe the hops.  Wet is an adjective used to describe the hops.  Fresh is an adjective usd to describe the hops.  Seems like beer enthusiasts are trying to make them nouns, like they are their own new 'thing'.  If we use our adjectives correctly in font of the nouns (hops), then there really is no confusion, although we may disagree on how long after picking hops are considered 'fresh'.  If breweries are not specific with their descriptions, then we are left to make assumptions, which is their faux pas.  Wet hops can be fresh.  Wet hops can be old.  Dried hops can be fresh.  Dried hops can be old.  We just need two adjectives in front of the noun as a description of the hopping: moisture + time. 
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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2012, 09:43:38 AM »
SN is pretty straightforward with their definition. Our personal definitions may differ, but they said "Fresh Hops are the freshest dried hops to come from the fields, typically within seven days of harvest." They're not trying to deceive people (it's not "triple-hops brewed" or nonsense like that).

If SN were using pellets and calling them 'wet hops' that'd be dishonest. If they were using 6-month-old wet hops and calling them 'fresh hops' that'd be dishonest too. What they're doing is a gray-area at best, but at least they define their terms.

Hops aren't used by as many people or in as many things as any other herbs, so talking about "fresh basil" is really not relevant. Anyone can walk into the grocery store and buy "fresh basil" at any time of the year. Hops are almost never used "fresh" or "wet." You can't just walk into a store and buy "fresh hops." For practical purposes, they don't exist for 99.99999% of the people on the planet.
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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2012, 02:57:51 PM »
I never said they were trying to deceive anyone, I am saying their nomenclature is stupid.  There is no such thing as a wet herb, despite their attempts to say so.  It is totally unacceptable and I will not drink those beers because of it.  They probably don't care, and that's fine.  You don't care - that's also fine.  I care.
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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2012, 05:48:21 PM »
It's raining on my sage in my herb garden.  Guess I better go out and tell my sage that it does not exist.   :o
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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2012, 08:07:26 PM »
It's raining on my sage in my herb garden.  Guess I better go out and tell my sage that it does not exist.   :o
;D Fair enough.  The only time hops are wet is when it is during/after precipitation, or after you throw them in the wort/beer. ;)

How do we know when hops are ready to harvest?  They feel dry and papery and spring back when you compress them.  SN wants to call these "wet" hops. ::)  That is just dumb.
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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2012, 04:23:31 AM »
Does this mean I cannot claim that my fresh sage-andouille-port wine reduction oyster dressing gravy is "wet-saged"?   :-[
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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2012, 06:45:47 PM »
Does this mean I cannot claim that my fresh sage-andouille-port wine reduction oyster dressing gravy is "wet-saged"?   :-[
You can call it whatever you like, but that doesn't mean I'll eat it :)
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Re: Just for You tomschmidlin...
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2012, 07:01:37 PM »
Does this mean I cannot claim that my fresh sage-andouille-port wine reduction oyster dressing gravy is "wet-saged"?   :-[
You can call it whatever you like, but that doesn't mean I'll eat it :)

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