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Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« on: December 29, 2012, 03:17:45 PM »
I am planning on brewing an APA next week.  I am trying to come up with a blend of hops to be more "orange/citrus" than pine or grapefuit, passionfruit, etc.  Going to hop burst it late.

Hops that I know give an "orange" type flavor from experience and reading various hop profiles are:

Amarillo
Cascade (probably more grapefuit?)
Summit (orange/tangerine, hoping to avoid the garlic/BO/Onion)
Motueka
Pacific Jade

Tenatively planning on using a 2:1:1 ratio of Amarillo:Cascade:Summit, but could possibly substitute one of the NZ varieties. 

Thoughts anyone?

Thanks,
Brian

EDIT:  I will also be adding some fresh orange zest at 5min before flameout.  Probably 2-3 oranges?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2012, 03:45:00 PM by hoser »

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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2012, 03:31:10 PM »
I get quite a bit of orange from NB's surly bitter brewer clone.  IIRC it has a 2.5 oz dry hop with glacier.

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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2012, 07:23:42 PM »
I find summit to be oniony - I wouldn't use it.  If you like it though, have at it.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2012, 08:02:24 PM »
It has been said that the Bells house yeast is responsible for the orange flavor in Oberon. I might agree with that, but have never tried to do an Oberon. It is a fruity yeast.

Just wanted to say that yeast is something to consider.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2012, 08:09:09 PM »
The effect of the yeast has crossed my mind.  Not enough time to culture and propogate yeast from a Bell's bottle.  Thinking of using WY 1272 American Ale II...

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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2012, 09:31:15 PM »
The only hop that gives me an unmistakable, dominant orange flavor/aroma is Summit. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to get the orange without the garlic/onion/asiago. If you want a big orange flavor in your beer, and I'd definitely go with some zest.

If I were hopping an orange beer I'd probably go with Amarillo and Glacier in the boil and use them with a small amount of Summit in the dry hops.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2012, 07:09:28 AM »
I remembered this link from Nathan Smith's destroy.net site/rate beer..

http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer-News/Article-482-1.htm

It looks like the strongest orange from the experiment are as follows:

1. Ahtanum
2. Simcoe
3. Glacier

So maybe 2 parts Amarillo, 1 part Ahtanum, 1 part Pacific Jade?

I do have some ideas on how to avoid summit's "savory" attributes, but maybe I'll save that for another time.  Obviously some of this is also based on the quality of summit at harvest and out of the brewer's control.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2012, 08:13:55 AM »
K-97 yeast gives an orange flavor. Some tasters in my decoction experiment described it as "orange marmalade."
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Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 08:35:11 AM »
Coriander is what gives Wit much of its orange character. I'vE heard to be wary of the store bought stuff though and find plump indian varieties.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 09:21:43 AM »
Warrior hops have an orange character I think.  That and Amarillo.  I don't get orange from Glacier really.  More of a super-mild peach flavor, but it is slight.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2012, 10:00:17 AM »
Coriander is what gives Wit much of its orange character. I'vE heard to be wary of the store bought stuff though and find plump indian varieties.

I've heard if you briefly dry roast the coriander, in a pan, that takes some of the chlorophyll edge off of it. I haven't verified that, though. I also read in the Hops book that coriander needs to be fermented to display certain citrus flavors. So adding in the keg won't work as well as a flameout addition.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2012, 03:00:54 PM »
Coriander is what gives Wit much of its orange character. I'vE heard to be wary of the store bought stuff though and find plump indian varieties.

I've heard if you briefly dry roast the coriander, in a pan, that takes some of the chlorophyll edge off of it. I haven't verified that, though. I also read in the Hops book that coriander needs to be fermented to display certain citrus flavors. So adding in the keg won't work as well as a flameout addition.
That's interesting - coriander smells really citrusy to me when I grind it.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2012, 03:28:10 PM »
Coriander is what gives Wit much of its orange character. I'vE heard to be wary of the store bought stuff though and find plump indian varieties.
I've heard if you briefly dry roast the coriander, in a pan, that takes some of the chlorophyll edge off of it. I haven't verified that, though. I also read in the Hops book that coriander needs to be fermented to display certain citrus flavors. So adding in the keg won't work as well as a flameout addition.
That's interesting - coriander smells really citrusy to me when I grind it.

Yep, I agree.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2012, 03:31:49 PM »
Coriander is what gives Wit much of its orange character. I'vE heard to be wary of the store bought stuff though and find plump indian varieties.
I've heard if you briefly dry roast the coriander, in a pan, that takes some of the chlorophyll edge off of it. I haven't verified that, though. I also read in the Hops book that coriander needs to be fermented to display certain citrus flavors. So adding in the keg won't work as well as a flameout addition.
That's interesting - coriander smells really citrusy to me when I grind it.

Yep, I agree.

Me, too.  I sometimes add it in the keg for more citrusy aromas.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2012, 04:31:03 PM »
Well, maybe I shouldn't have said "won't work as well," what I meant was "will be different."

The passage in the Hops book talks about a study of beer brewed with coriander compared to beer with Citra hops. Both had a lot of geraniol and linalool, but neither had citronellol. In both beers, the geraniol was converted to citronellol, and tasters perceived the beers as similar. "The results suggested the importance of citronellol and an excess of linalool in the hop-derived citrus flavor of beer, but because there was little citronellol in raw hops, the generation of citronellol depended on the geraniol metabolism by yeast."
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