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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2012, 07:53:04 PM »
Don't forget that there are different varieties of corriander.  The Indian corriander is yellow and smooth skinned.  It does tend to provide citrusy components.  I find them to be more on the lemon side.  But then there is the Mexican or Moroccan corriander that is brown and wrinkle skinned.  It has more of a peppery flavor contribution in my opinion. 

I've found that since we add orange peel to Wits, I prefer the Mexican corriander in my Wit to provide a slightly earthy and spicy contrast to the orange flavor.  I didn't like what the Indian version did for the flavor.  But, I agree that it might add some citrus impact in the beer in question.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2012, 08:33:39 PM »
Ok, we are getting a little off track here ;).  I am aware corriander provides "orange" character.  But, I am trying to achieve this mainly with hops.  Making a fruit beer for a local comp "pineapple/orange" to be specific.  Trying to avoid the spice/corriander.  Hence, the hops question.

Here is what Stan's book says about the corriander experiment (abriged version)...

Sapporo researchers brewed 2 beers:  one with Citra, one only with corriander.  Both are rich in geraniol and linalool.  The finished Citra beer contained; geraniol, linalool, and citronellol.  The same transformation occured with corriander.  The concentraition of citronellol and geraniol were dependant on geraniol concentration.  Taste panels rated both beers as very similar. The research suggests the importance of citronellol and linalool in the hop-derived citrus flavor of beer.  But, since there was little citronellol in raw hops, it's generation was dependant on geraiol yeast metabolism.

So, maybe using some combination of Citra is in order?
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Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2012, 06:51:05 AM »
I don't find any orange flavor in citra. Tastes like "imitation" mango to me. But perhaps the right blend might get you what you are looking for. Amarillo,  ... Maybe a touch of centennial and a hair of citra.

I have used ahtunum before and I can remember it having some slight orange character as well.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2012, 06:54:41 AM by majorvices »
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2012, 07:03:46 AM »
Maybe this can be achieved with aroma rather than flavor. Aroma is very influential on taste...
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2012, 08:08:05 AM »
You may also want to consider mashing higher to keep some sweetness in the beer. This might help fool the palette into thinking it's tasting orange instead of grapefruit or other bitter citrus.

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Re: Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2012, 08:26:21 AM »
You may also want to consider mashing higher to keep some sweetness in the beer. This might help fool the palette into thinking it's tasting orange instead of grapefruit or other bitter citrus.

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That's a real good point. Maybe go with some darker crystal malt in the 60-80 range too to leave a hint of caramel.
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2012, 06:19:59 PM »
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2012, 06:43:26 PM »
Wait, is there a reason you don't just, you know, use oranges?
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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2012, 07:25:47 PM »
Wait, is there a reason you don't just, you know, use oranges?

I am planning on brewing an APA next week.  I am trying to come up with a blend of hops to be more "orange/citrus" than pine or grapefuit, passionfruit, etc.  Going to hop burst it late.

Hops that I know give an "orange" type flavor from experience and reading various hop profiles are:

Amarillo
Cascade (probably more grapefuit?)
Summit (orange/tangerine, hoping to avoid the garlic/BO/Onion)
Motueka
Pacific Jade

Tenatively planning on using a 2:1:1 ratio of Amarillo:Cascade:Summit, but could possibly substitute one of the NZ varieties. 

Thoughts anyone?

Thanks,
Brian

EDIT:  I will also be adding some fresh orange zest at 5min before flameout.  Probably 2-3 oranges?

I am. I would just like to compliment it with the hops.....

Besides, where is the challenge in just using oranges/zest with all the wonderful hop flavors available to us as brewers today?  I mean, we can use Belma hops to create a strawberry-flavored beer.

http://www.bear-flavored.com/2012/12/recipe-and-tasting-notes-belma-single.html

So, in theory we should be able to do the same with creating an orange flavor, no? Grapefruit isn't that far from oranges.  In theory, I would like to create a "fruit" beer without adding "fruit" if I don't have too.

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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2013, 01:29:30 PM »
Styrian Goldings have some orange aroma without some of the less desirable notes of Summit although it isn't as much in your face with the orange.

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Re: Combination of hops to create an "orange" flavor
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2013, 01:49:50 PM »
Coriander is what gives Wit much of its orange character. I'vE heard to be wary of the store bought stuff though and find plump indian varieties.
I always thought coriander is more lemony than orangy.
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