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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2013, 12:41:59 PM »
You can also reduce the temp to 80 C (~180F) for the hop stand. That will limit isomerization and DMS production.

That's what I do.

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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2013, 12:55:32 PM »
You can also reduce the temp to 80 C (~180F) for the hop stand. That will limit isomerization and DMS production.

That's what I do.

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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2013, 02:00:23 PM »
You can also reduce the temp to 80 C (~180F) for the hop stand. That will limit isomerization and DMS production.

That's what I do.

Kai

Is there a minimum effective temperature?  Could you cold steep the hops overnight like some do with roasted grains?

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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2013, 11:47:06 PM »
You can also reduce the temp to 80 C (~180F) for the hop stand. That will limit isomerization and DMS production.

That's what I do.

Kai

Is there a minimum effective temperature?  Could you cold steep the hops overnight like some do with roasted grains?
It depends on what kind of effect you are going for - different temps will have different effects.  So sure, you can cold steep the hops.  But it won't taste the same as doing a hot hop stand, for better or worse.
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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2013, 06:29:11 AM »
You can also reduce the temp to 80 C (~180F) for the hop stand. That will limit isomerization and DMS production.

That's what I do.

Kai

Ooo. I like this. Might even have to break out the old immersion chiller for the occasion.   8)
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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2013, 06:39:03 AM »
You can also reduce the temp to 80 C (~180F) for the hop stand. That will limit isomerization and DMS production.

That's what I do.

Kai

IME this is particularly useful if you get your bitterness dialed in with your boil additions. Below 180F really lets you concentrate on aroma and flavor contribution.
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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2013, 07:32:12 AM »
You can also reduce the temp to 80 C (~180F) for the hop stand. That will limit isomerization and DMS production.

That's what I do.

Kai

Ooo. I like this. Might even have to break out the old immersion chiller for the occasion.   8)

If you've got a plate chiller, just circulate the hot wort through until the kettle is <180F, then cut the cooling , add hops, and start the whirlpool. Let stand 20-30 min or as long as it takes you to get the fermenter ready, then cool-in as usual.

This process mirrors a professional brewery. I only use the "Hop Stand" because I use an immersion chiller and have to whirlpool after cooling.

I've gone away from the typical knockout addition and use that portion of the charge in the Hop Stand.
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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2013, 08:03:45 AM »
You can also reduce the temp to 80 C (~180F) for the hop stand. That will limit isomerization and DMS production.

That's what I do.

Kai


Ooo. I like this. Might even have to break out the old immersion chiller for the occasion.   8)

If you've got a plate chiller, just circulate the hot wort through until the kettle is <180F, then cut the cooling , add hops, and start the whirlpool. Let stand 20-30 min or as long as it takes you to get the fermenter ready, then cool-in as usual.

This process mirrors a professional brewery. I only use the "Hop Stand" because I use an immersion chiller and have to whirlpool after cooling.

I've gone away from the typical knockout addition and use that portion of the charge in the Hop Stand.

I have a counterflow chiller set up where the wort drains (gravity, no pumps) from the kettle, to the CFC, then straight into the fermenter. Either way, the kettle I use is pretty wide (18-20" diameter), so I should get at least some heat loss if I decide that the IC is too much of a pain in my new apartment.
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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2013, 10:13:48 AM »
I can't wait to try this.  A question that occurs to me: is 180* sufficient to kill airborne spoilers?  I'm assuming a lid should be on the kettle during the stand at 180*, but more to the point, at what temperature does the wort transition to 'the cold side' and become vulnerable?

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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2013, 10:15:48 AM »
I can't wait to try this.  A question that occurs to me: is 180* sufficient to kill airborne spoilers?  I'm assuming a lid should be on the kettle during the stand at 180*, but more to the point, at what temperature does the wort transition to 'the cold side' and become vulnerable?

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140* is the threshold, IIRC.

As one poster put it, you'll want to keep the lid on nonetheless because if you can smell the goodness on brewday, it won't be in the beer on drinking day. 

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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2013, 06:40:44 AM »
So now the real question becomes, to dry hop in the primary after fermentation is done OR to dry hop in the keg?

I'm leaning towards dry hop in the keg.
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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2013, 07:08:10 AM »
So now the real question becomes, to dry hop in the primary after fermentation is done OR to dry hop in the keg?

I'm leaning towards dry hop in the keg.

why not do both?  ;)
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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2013, 07:17:37 AM »
So now the real question becomes, to dry hop in the primary after fermentation is done OR to dry hop in the keg?

I'm leaning towards dry hop in the keg.

Dry hop in the primary at the very tail end of fermentation. Sweet yeast/hop oil magical flavor potion is created.
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Re: To Hop Stand or not to Hop Stand?
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2013, 08:06:30 AM »
So now the real question becomes, to dry hop in the primary after fermentation is done OR to dry hop in the keg?

I'm leaning towards dry hop in the keg.

why not do both?  ;)

+1 -  more hops is rarely a bad thing because:

Dry hop in the primary at the very tail end of fermentation. Sweet yeast/hop oil magical flavor potion is created.

+1 to this, especially after reading "For the Love of Hops"
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