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Lager chamber
« on: February 14, 2013, 05:28:42 PM »
Just bought a 14cuft fridgedaire freezer,and installed Johnson controls a419. Curious about people's experience with accuracy of temperature for the unit, and if you find better accuracy with thermowell or just taping probe to side of carboy with bubble wrap or foam covered with tape.

I've set it to 52F, with +-1F on/off.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 05:32:15 PM »
I tape it under some foam and it's always right on for me.  I have a 7 cuft chest freezer.  If I have two fermenters in there I just trap the probe between the two.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 05:35:42 PM »
I don't even bother with the foam. Whatever your fermenter is made out of, it's a couple orders of magnitude better conductor than air.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 05:49:34 PM »
Do you use 1 or 2f+- differential? I'm thinking if my ideal temp is 52f, is set it to shut off at 51 and on at 53...or 1f differential.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 05:59:55 PM »
I use 1 degree as the differential. 
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 06:15:20 PM »
Got it. I read most set the ASD to max of 12 minutes- any thoughts on that?
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 06:44:41 PM »
I keep mine at 10 minutes.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 02:54:11 AM »
Strap it to the side of the fermenter in some way and a little covering to insulate doesn't hurt. Even an old washcloth works for that so no need to get fancy. The point is to always measure what you want to control and that is the liquid temp of the beer, not the air temp of the fridge.

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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 07:06:19 AM »
I don't understand the reasoning behind insulating the probe. Couldn't that potentially cause you to overcool the beer in the fermenter?

If the probe is well insulated, and you're looking to cool your fementer down 10+ degrees- it's going to take a while. In the meantime, your chest freezer keeps plugging away. By the time your beer gets down to the intended temperature, the air/wall temp is well below your set temp. Wouldn't that cause your fermenter to keep getting cooler before eventually equaling out?

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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 08:00:34 AM »
Yes, it will drop a bit more, but the thermal mass of all that liquid is so much greater than the air and walls of the fridge/freezer, so the effect is minimal. IME, that additional drop is usually less than one degree F.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 08:09:46 AM »
Yes, it will drop a bit more, but the thermal mass of all that liquid is so much greater than the air and walls of the fridge/freezer, so the effect is minimal. IME, that additional drop is usually less than one degree F.

that and it stabilizes pretty darned quick.

I create a pouch with velcro to affix my probe to the side of my fermenters.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 08:34:33 AM »
Tape doesn't work for me, it always falls off. I put the probe under some bubble wrap between the brew hauler and the carboy. I think it stays pretty accurate, certainly with in a degree or two.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 08:53:15 AM »
Bungie cord and a scrap of foam.  For 10+ degrees drops my fridge will sometimes overshoot by a couple of degrees.  I set the temp accordingly, then tweak if necessary.  Since this isn’t during fermentation I’m not too fussy about it.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 09:18:48 AM »
I agree with the insulation of the probe. The one surface area of the probe is snug against your fermentation vessel, and the exposed area of the probe is insulated with foam, bubble wrap, or cloth- keeping it from ambient air shifts that would happen when freezer kicks on or you open the lid.
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Re: Lager chamber
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2013, 10:12:08 AM »
I place mine in a thermowell inserted into the fermentor so that the probe measures the very center of the wort being fermented... I worry about my wort's fermenting temp, not the temp of the probe hiding under the insulated material. Many agree that the yeast will create a temperature increase within the fermenting vessel which can be anywhere from 4-8 degrees higher than the ambient temperature surrounding it...just because we cool off the fermentor and the ambient air surrounding it, doesn't mean we no longer have any type of temperature increase from the active yeast, does it? 
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