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davidgzach:

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--- Quote from: davidgzach on February 22, 2013, 08:05:02 AM ---If you leave it on the cake, you should be fine after an extended D-rest and lagering period.  The main thing with lagers is patience, especially if you have a flaw.  Everything takes longer with brewing lagers...

Dave

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when you say leave it on the cake - are you suggesting i leave it in my primary for 4-6 weeks before racking to keg for additional lagering time?

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Yes, especially since you hate diacetyl.  I typically go 2-4 weeks on the cake, but 4-6 will not hurt you and should clean up everything real nice.

Wort-H.O.G.:

--- Quote from: davidgzach on February 22, 2013, 10:24:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: wort-h.o.g. on February 22, 2013, 08:12:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: davidgzach on February 22, 2013, 08:05:02 AM ---If you leave it on the cake, you should be fine after an extended D-rest and lagering period.  The main thing with lagers is patience, especially if you have a flaw.  Everything takes longer with brewing lagers...

Dave

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when you say leave it on the cake - are you suggesting i leave it in my primary for 4-6 weeks before racking to keg for additional lagering time?

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Yes, especially since you hate diacetyl.  I typically go 2-4 weeks on the cake, but 4-6 will not hurt you and should clean up everything real nice.

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4 weeks it is! thanks for the guidance - much appreciated.

i figure i can do a d-test after 4 weeks on the cake, if i detect any diacetyl i will use krasuening as i rack it to the keg.

so with all the great advice, here's what i will do:

-let the d-rest continue until end of this weekend
- bring temp down to 45F, 2-3 degrees per 12 hours to keep more yeast in action
-leave on cake for 4 weeks, gradually lowering to 34F
-test for diacetyl.if non present, transfer to corny and drop gradually down to 32-33F and lager for 2-3 weeks. if diacetyl present, procced with krausening and then when completed gradually lower to 32-33F and lager for 2-3 weeks

davidgzach:
Dude, if you still have diacetyl after a 5 day D-rest followed by 4 weeks at 34F on the cake, pack it in!   :o

Dave

Wort-H.O.G.:

--- Quote from: davidgzach on February 22, 2013, 11:34:45 AM ---Dude, if you still have diacetyl after a 5 day D-rest followed by 4 weeks at 34F on the cake, pack it in!   :o

Dave

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exactly... i'm just not experienced enough with the process for removing, and hope to exhaust all remedies before throwing in the towel and dumping the beer. for my third lager, i will most definitely cool wort to 45-48 F and pitch then..i think that has been my mistake on the first two lagers.

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