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« on: March 08, 2013, 01:31:19 PM »
I just want to share an experience with new filter I have.
It is Pall housing with SupraDiskII Cartridges.

It was easy to set up, run and clean.
Cartridges (they call them modules) are reusable and housing does not need to be dis-assembled after each run.
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2013, 06:44:35 PM »
Nice!  I've been looking into DE filters recently.  Not sure if we will actually filter our beer, but I'd like to know more about it.
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2013, 07:43:03 PM »
Stay away from DE.
That is my opinion.
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2013, 06:00:20 AM »
Stay away from DE.
That is my opinion.

Any particular reason?  Is it too costly?  Too difficult to maintain?
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2013, 06:29:44 AM »
Thanks for the post, I was looking at that exact model. Where did you get it from?
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2013, 07:58:04 AM »
I've never used a lenticular filter, but I'd choose DE (well, Perlite, obviously) over plate-and-frame.
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2013, 08:55:31 AM »
I bought it from Enpro a "local supplier". Well they are in IL but have a office in Minneapolis.

Major pall had a sales rep on ProBrewer forum that was able to give a quote. If you want I could find it.
IMO DE is difficult to run and when you are done you still have filtering media to despise off.

As with all new equipment. It will take some time to get comfortable. The biggest concern is infection. Because modules are washable and unit does not break down after use. This is also the biggest advantage.

Close by brewery is able to run 1500 BBL thru one set of modules before replacement.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2013, 07:19:37 AM »
I've never used a lenticular filter, but I'd choose DE (well, Perlite, obviously) over plate-and-frame.

I have never used a DE filter but the other local brewery in Huntssville which is a quite a bit bigger than us had 2 plate filters before the acquired their DE filter and they sold both of their plate filters so I don't doubt you are right.

We acquired one of their plate filters but I have not used it yet. But I just hired a guy who has a lot of winery experience and is used to working with plate filters and so he'll be doing the filtering. :)
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2013, 10:52:05 AM »
I was deciding between plate and frame and lenticular.

It boils down to this:
Plate and frame you constantly change filter media.
With diverted plate you can do two stage filtering.

lenticular modules are cleanable and reusable.
If you want to do do two stage filtering you need to have two filters.

If you already have plate and frame use it.
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2013, 05:33:12 PM »
Just an update.

I was filtering the other day.
I filtered 10.5 BBL final in BT in about 35 minuted.

Easy to set up and easy to clean.
The only difference I noticed is that beer is just a little lighter in color and has worst head retention.
Flavor is about the same.
I might have to go with little corset modules.

So far LOVE it.
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2013, 08:53:47 PM »
What sort of waste? Do you anticipate any sort of customer reaction to finding out you're filtering? I have a fair number of people ask if we are (we don't, we currently use a two-part fining regimen).

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 06:43:06 AM »
Not to hijack, but how many of you guys who aren't filtering are using finings?  And, for those using finings, are you adding them in addition to a cold conditioning period or in place of one?
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 09:17:18 AM »
I just use super moss.  It's good enough for our purposes.
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Re: Filtering
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 09:30:25 AM »
What sort of waste? Do you anticipate any sort of customer reaction to finding out you're filtering? I have a fair number of people ask if we are (we don't, we currently use a two-part fining regimen).

I hope that filtering is another educational frontier, much like hops or sour/wild beers have been in the past.

I think marketing has convinced consumers that "unfiltered" is a true sign of an artisanal, local, and/or hand-crafted beer. The average craft beer drinker has been conditioned to think of filtering as industrial or artificial. In truth, filtering is an expensive and labor-intensive choice the brewer makes to ensure their beer's quality, consistency, and shelf life.

Hopefully craft brewers can help shed some light on this subject. Bravo to those of you taking on the financial and labor burden of filtering!
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 10:47:26 AM »
I personally think you lose a good bit of flavor when you filter. It's just a fast way to condition beer IMO.certain beers like Kolsch may be better for it but others like pales and iPas suffer.
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