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Diacetyl and Krausening Success Story
« on: March 15, 2013, 03:32:04 PM »
Background: I made a czech pilsner lager over a month ago. Figured out on the forum that my pitching temperature of 60F was not the optimal method, and likely the reason this lager and the ones before had diacetyl levels that never cleaned up with a diacetyl rest and lagering.

So, I immediately went to the forum for advice, and besides learning that i should pitch my lager yeast under 50F, i also learned that krausening is a good way to scrub the diacetyl and other off flavors. I made a 1800ml starter using light pilsen DME, chilled to 46F and pitched a vial of WLP 800 (used a different yeast strain than my lager -that had WLP802). at high krausen, i pitched the starter into a 5-gal corny keg, and racked my lager on top of it. I purged before and after lager was added, and left it at 50F for a week.

Drew a sample today, and I'm thrilled to report that there isn't a hint of diacetyl smell or taste...and I'm very sensitive to diacetyl. I'm going to drop down to lagering temps again and let it go for 2-3 more weeks, but I'm looking forward to drinking this beer.

thanks to Kai and Denny for their advice - wish you were here to sample the success ;D
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Re: Diacetyl and Krausening Success Story
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2013, 03:52:10 PM »
Wish I was, too, Ken!
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Re: Diacetyl and Krausening Success Story
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2013, 10:57:13 AM »
That's good to know.  Do you suppose that you could get by with a little less yeast than that, say with some US-05?  In any event - congratulations on a nice cleanup.
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Re: Diacetyl and Krausening Success Story
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2013, 11:03:41 AM »
That's good to know.  Do you suppose that you could get by with a little less yeast than that, say with some US-05?  In any event - congratulations on a nice cleanup.

so i have some experience using US-05 on another lager. it didn't clean as well, but definitely scrubbed a great deal of the diacetyl. my only comment would be that krausening with a lager yeast at lager temps seems more appropriate, which is why i went with a starter of wlp800 done at 48-50F.
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ESB                    
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Re: Diacetyl and Krausening Success Story
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2013, 09:53:58 AM »
Background: I made a czech pilsner lager over a month ago. Figured out on the forum that my pitching temperature of 60F was not the optimal method, and likely the reason this lager and the ones before had diacetyl levels that never cleaned up with a diacetyl rest and lagering.

So, I immediately went to the forum for advice, and besides learning that i should pitch my lager yeast under 50F, i also learned that krausening is a good way to scrub the diacetyl and other off flavors. I made a 1800ml starter using light pilsen DME, chilled to 46F and pitched a vial of WLP 800 (used a different yeast strain than my lager -that had WLP802). at high krausen, i pitched the starter into a 5-gal corny keg, and racked my lager on top of it. I purged before and after lager was added, and left it at 50F for a week.

Drew a sample today, and I'm thrilled to report that there isn't a hint of diacetyl smell or taste...and I'm very sensitive to diacetyl. I'm going to drop down to lagering temps again and let it go for 2-3 more weeks, but I'm looking forward to drinking this beer.

thanks to Kai and Denny for their advice - wish you were here to sample the success ;D

My pilsner has lagered for additional 4 weeks or so now, and man is it good. its very clean, dry and crisp as intended, and i must say i was skeptical a month ago. Hope this story helps someone else someday!
Ken- Chagrin Falls, OH
CPT, U.S.Army
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Harveys-Brewhaus/405092862905115

http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Science_of_Mashing

Serving:        In Process:
Ger Pils             IPA
Dort                 
O'Fest              
Cream Ale                             
ESB                    
Next:
schwarz
IPA
Mead