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Offline topher.bartos

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cold conditioning
« on: April 30, 2013, 01:53:56 pm »
I recently made a Blonde Ale and I just finished bottling it. The BJCP guidelines say that sometimes Blonde Ales are cold conditioned and Kolshs seem to also be cold conditioned as they are in the same category of beers. However, John Palmer in his book says that Cold Conditioning just helps to participate out large proteins including tannins and phenols which is what fining agents do anyway. I'm of course paraphrasing but my question is if one were to use fining agents, in my case I use whirlfloc, is cold conditioning really necessary?
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Offline klickitat jim

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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 02:23:26 pm »
If you are desiring a really clear beer I would follow the cold recommendations

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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 03:01:44 pm »
I consistently make clear beer. I'm worried about taste.
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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 03:34:11 pm »
Sounds like a great time to experiment. Put a few in the fridge for a month and compare

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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2013, 04:05:17 pm »
Sounds like a great time to experiment. Put a few in the fridge for a month and compare

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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2013, 04:29:29 pm »
No it's automatic signature. If it's annoying I'll take it off

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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2013, 04:35:00 pm »
It dont bother me none. It's not like you have a history of everything you ever brewed as a sig :-)
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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2013, 04:47:57 pm »
Ouch, ya I've seen that somewhere before. I use tapatalk which defaults to something like' sent from my droid' or whatever.  I started changing it to something more interesting but just found the option of no signature

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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 04:48:52 pm »
...is cold conditioning really necessary?

Necessary?  Probably not.  But I'm convinced beyond any doubt that a few weeks of cold conditioning (or a few months or more, depending on the beer) will usually improve the taste.
I think a lot of homebrewers miss out  when they impatiently consume beers too young. 
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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 05:14:45 pm »
In my opinion cold conditioning will help to improve the beer overall whether it's appearance or taste. I never had the ability to really cold condition when I was bottling. I definitely notice an improvement after two weeks of cold conditioning in the keg before drinking.
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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 06:31:53 pm »
In my opinion cold conditioning will help to improve the beer overall whether it's appearance or taste. I never had the ability to really cold condition when I was bottling. I definitely notice an improvement after two weeks of cold conditioning in the keg before drinking.
+1.  Definitely helps flavor. 
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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2013, 06:40:09 pm »
No it's automatic signature. If it's annoying I'll take it off

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Ahh okay, I gotcha. It comes from the app, not the forum. Don't bother me none, I was just curious.

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2013, 05:16:24 am »
FYI whirlflock is a kettle fining agent. Post fermentation it's not doing anything for you. Use some dissolved (but not boiled) gelatin.

I cold condition all my beers and on beers I want very clear I add fining agents.

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Re: cold conditioning
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2013, 06:14:33 am »
In my opinion cold conditioning will help to improve the beer overall whether it's appearance or taste. I never had the ability to really cold condition when I was bottling. I definitely notice an improvement after two weeks of cold conditioning in the keg before drinking.
+1.  Definitely helps flavor.

Indeed. I usually 'lager' my big Belgians to round everything out. Works very well.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2013, 07:46:04 am »
IMO, unless your bottle conditioning or dry hopping, once the beer is finished fermenting and has a few days to "condition" at fermentation temps it should be stored cold from then on.