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When is a Wit not a Wit?
« on: May 20, 2013, 11:11:51 pm »
Hey gang,
I want to make a beer that, for all intents and purposes, comes from a wit recipe but uses a slightly different yeast.  I want to use either WLP550 (Belgian ale) or WLP575 (Belgian Ale Blend) and not the usual Wit yeast.  I know that, by foregoing the Wit yeast(s), I am not going to get a beer that is exactly a wit.  I'm ok with this, as I probably won't enter it into a competition, I just don't want to make something awful. 
I usually think that you can combine any wort with any yeast, as long as fermentation, temperature and sanitation are good, and you'll have drinkable beer.  However, I have heard that Wits need that yeast to be good, because of the unmalted wheat.... I've settled that though, and am not using unmalted wheat.  I amusing Pilsner malt, white wheat and Oats (golden naked and flaked).
The reason I don't want to use the wit yeast is because I reuse yeast, and I want to do other styles later on, and the Wit yeast isn't great for the styles I want to do.
Any experience here, or knowledge related to the above mentioned yeast strains will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2013, 11:29:17 pm »
It will be fine. You won't get the clove character as much by using 550 or 575 and it will be fruitier.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of 575 so I would rather use 550 but that's just me.
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2013, 11:31:40 pm »
Good call. I've been brewing a long time, but have never used any "normal" Belgian strains... I've used the Wit, Saison, American Farmhouse blend and the Unibroue strain, so I will probably start with 550.
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2013, 07:39:49 am »
You get lots of character from Belgian yeasts, so you might be missing a bit of what you'd expect in a wit, but IMO if you keep the % of wheat appropriate and add coriander and orange peel you'll be getting pretty much what you're hoping for.

I've not used 575, but I make a lot of beers with WY3522 (same strain as 550).  IME, it's great for the paler Belgians but it has almost a tartness that may not be what you're looking for in wit.
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2013, 10:54:16 am »
re you trying to make a beer that tastes like a wit?  Have you considered making another Belgian style that might be more appropriate for the yeast?
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2013, 11:26:43 am »
You get lots of character from Belgian yeasts, so you might be missing a bit of what you'd expect in a wit, but IMO if you keep the % of wheat appropriate and add coriander and orange peel you'll be getting pretty much what you're hoping for.

I've not used 575, but I make a lot of beers with WY3522 (same strain as 550).  IME, it's great for the paler Belgians but it has almost a tartness that may not be what you're looking for in wit.

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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2013, 11:47:48 am »
re you trying to make a beer that tastes like a wit?  Have you considered making another Belgian style that might be more appropriate for the yeast?
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2013, 12:16:33 pm »
The Unibroue strain would be a good choice, IMHO. It's pretty phenolic.
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2013, 12:34:45 pm »
The Unibroue strain would be a good choice, IMHO. It's pretty phenolic.

I LOVE this strain. Is it still a Wyeast PC or do they carry it regularly (its not listed on the website)?
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2013, 12:36:24 pm »
I LOVE this strain. Is it still a Wyeast PC or do they carry it regularly (its not listed on the website)?

I'm not sure what Wyeast's plans are for it, but it's a really easy one to culture up from a bottle.
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2013, 12:45:07 pm »
I LOVE this strain. Is it still a Wyeast PC or do they carry it regularly (its not listed on the website)?

I'm not sure what Wyeast's plans are for it, but it's a really easy one to culture up from a bottle.

Good point - and good excuse to pick up their sampler four-pack that Trader Joe's is carrying...
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2013, 01:58:09 pm »
The Unibroue strain would be a good choice, IMHO. It's pretty phenolic.

I was going to suggest this earlier but it wasn't on his list of yeasts he wanted to use.  I'd do the Unibroue strain over 550 or 575.
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2013, 10:21:29 pm »
re you trying to make a beer that tastes like a wit?  Have you considered making another Belgian style that might be more appropriate for the yeast?

Yes, which was how I got started with this post anyway.  I originally just wanted to to do a summer beer with wheat and oats.  When I created the recipe, it looked an awful lot like a wit, so I went from there.  The next beers I do with this yeast will be a Belgian Blonde, a dubbel and a Trippel.  Since those were to be to style, I'm ok with this one being out of style.
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2013, 11:35:12 pm »
Honestly, I may go without the spices, so as to separate it from a wit...
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Re: When is a Wit not a Wit?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2013, 05:43:42 am »
Honestly, I may go without the spices, so as to separate it from a wit...

If you're not brewing for competition, and you don't care to put the spices in, don't!

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