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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2013, 07:51:32 AM »
I will love it and drink it and call it George.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2013, 08:15:04 AM »
think i am going to work on an big american dopplebock or BAD.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2013, 11:10:44 AM »
I still like APA as a new name for IPA, I don't know that it's too late to change it, but I don't care enough to lobby the idea. But, that's the beauty of it, we can call it what we want. Open up your own brewery and brew an IPA and call it APA.

If I order an APA at a brewpub it better not be an IPA. And vise versa.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2013, 11:23:58 AM »
If I order an APA at a brewpub it better not be an IPA. And vise versa.

+1. Fight to change the convention if you don't agree with it, but don't take it out on your customers. Finding a beer is confusing enough nowadays.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2013, 11:24:50 AM »
I still like APA as a new name for IPA, I don't know that it's too late to change it, but I don't care enough to lobby the idea. But, that's the beauty of it, we can call it what we want. Open up your own brewery and brew an IPA and call it APA.

If I order an APA at a brewpub it better not be an IPA. And vise versa.
+1.   IPA has always been the hoppiest beer in the beer world.  This is the American equivalent of such.  Works for me.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2013, 12:02:54 PM »
If I order an APA at a brewpub it better not be an IPA. And vise versa.

+1. Fight to change the convention if you don't agree with it, but don't take it out on your customers. Finding a beer is confusing enough nowadays.

for that matter, at least half the time i can't tell when i order a beer what the hell it is supposed to be, if it is not something i am already familiar with. and names are not all that helpful. waiting to order a "moose crap, double chocolate coffee rye bladder filler with turpentine"
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2013, 12:15:06 PM »
If I order an APA at a brewpub it better not be an IPA. And vise versa.

+1. Fight to change the convention if you don't agree with it, but don't take it out on your customers. Finding a beer is confusing enough nowadays.

for that matter, at least half the time i can't tell when i order a beer what the hell it is supposed to be, if it is not something i am already familiar with. and names are not all that helpful. waiting to order a "moose crap, double chocolate coffee rye bladder filler with turpentine"
Yeah, really. Thems boys bein' too strict, settin' too many rules.

Dale's Pale Ale is 6.5% abv and hoppy as hell...ain't no IPA in that name. Call it what you want. Many "APAs" I've had are pretty much hopped to IPA levels. Besides, there's some overlap between pale ale and IPA in the BJCP categories, so I don't see what the big deal is.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2013, 12:56:39 PM »
Zombie Dutst is another IPA masquerading as an APA. Then there are ones like All Day IPA.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2013, 01:01:42 PM »
I love All Day IPA!

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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2013, 01:27:06 PM »
Zombie Dutst is another IPA masquerading as an APA. Then there are ones like All Day IPA.
See this is what I'm talking about. All Day IPA is a pale ale strength beer hopped up like an IPA. I don't get all the fuss about making sure you call a beer this or that. APA or IPA, they're pretty darned close in a lot of ways and certainly there's a lot of overlap.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2013, 01:42:26 PM »
for that matter look at the ibu recommended for a strong scottish ale.  17-35. one of the commercial examples is dirty bastard (which i love by the way), however its published ibu is 50 over 50% more than the max.  so overlap is overlap and as long as i have an idea of what i am getting into.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2013, 02:03:22 PM »
APA and American "IPA" have evolved in the past 6-7 years to become one and the same.  Or perhaps we should just assign shilling ratings to them to designate the low gravity ones from the high gravity, ala Scottish ales.  Or how about X, XX, XXX, XXXX.  Heck, we've already invented the Double IPA / Imperial IPA.  Why not just rename them all to APA X, XX, XXX, XXXX.  Hey, okay, I think I've got it!!  Just call it an APA w/ X IBUs.  In other words, just name the beer with the number of IBUs it's got.  Me: "You've got to try this 60 IBU APA."  Another guy: "Don't be such a wuss.  My 5000 IBU APA blows yours out of the sky!"

Don't we already do this anyway?  Except we call it IPA instead of APA.

Or I guess we could just go the route of MTV, where the M officially doesn't stand for anything anymore.  Kind of like Ulysses S Grant.  What's the S stand for?  Exactly.  IPA?  Yeah, that's just the name of the style.  It doesn't stand for anything, other than really hoppy ale.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2013, 02:07:50 PM »

Or I guess we could just go the route of MTV, where the M officially doesn't stand for anything anymore.  Kind of like Ulysses S Grant.  What's the S stand for?  Exactly.  IPA?  Yeah, that's just the name of the style.  It doesn't stand for anything, other than really hoppy ale.

Simpson.  the story i am familiar with is the dudes at West point assumed he had a middle name customary to the time as his mother's maiden name which was simpson. so they put an s down.  didn't actually have the middle name though. IIRC
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2013, 04:01:21 PM »
Perfect example, and one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of Dale's. Too malt forward. Too big. Not a Pale Ale. If I want to drink a pale ale I expect it to be sessionable. And All Day IPA is really a Pale Ale . I can drink one of those beers and I'm ready to move onto something else. Too thin for an IPA. Not sessionable to me. Not balanced.

By the sheer fact that I may be driving if I order a Pale Ale I expect it to be in the 5-6% range. Not 6-8%.
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Re: Got beef with "American IPA"
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2013, 04:07:43 PM »
APA and American "IPA" have evolved in the past 6-7 years to become one and the same. 

Not in my world, buster! ;)
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