[euge]

sorry didn't really mean to hijack the thread. Was just admiring Boulder for his hands on attitude towards food production.

Ask him how much it costs to raise chickens and turkeys.

[morticaixavier]

sorry didn't really mean to hijack the thread. Was just admiring Boulder for his hands on attitude towards food production.

Ask him how much it costs to raise chickens and turkeys.

hey boulder how much did it cost to raise chickens and turkeys?

[tschmidlin]

sorry didn't really mean to hijack the thread. Was just admiring Boulder for his hands on attitude towards food production.

Ask him how much it costs to raise chickens and turkeys.

hey boulder how much did it cost to raise chickens and turkeys?

Nothing to apologize for, we're just talking

[bluesman]

sorry didn't really mean to hijack the thread. Was just admiring Boulder for his hands on attitude towards food production.

No worries.

Please join us for more vegetarian BBQ discussion.

[bluesman]

You guys'll love this:

Homemade chicken plucker

schrader valves with the stems removed...

That is one fancy plucker there. 

[deepsouth]

bought some very nice boiled shrimp at the seafood market as well as a couple tuna steaks.  made some homemade mayo and whipped up a couple seafood dishes and then cooked some fajitas....

[bluesman]

It's about time for a DS fix!   

Awesome man! 

[punatic]

Mmmmmmmm, flank steak!  I'm not much of a beefeater, but I do loves me some flank steak!

[boulderbrewer]

A hundred broilers will take 1 50# bag on week one and 2 week two and 3 week three, so 41 bags when they reach 8 weeks, so at 8 weeks you got $575 in feed and say $100 in the purchase of the chicks. so 675 for 100 birds that is like 6.75 per 5# bird.

Turkeys are similar, they have better feed conversion and they can fetch a better price if you sell them.

As a veg I'd be warry of any sobean product, the most GMO plant. Hello tofu.

I would say know what you are eating and how it was raised/grown. Be informed about your food, most people investigate thier next car than they do the food they feed thier kids. OK off soap box till later.

[boulderbrewer]

Able... well I suppose physically unable folks might get a pass as long as a true willingness exists. But it's hard to say 'I am willing to kill this animal' and really mean it if you are never presented with the opportunity. Doesn't have to be a pig, could be a chicken. even catching a fish is good. It's the awareness that this being is alive and vital and because of your choices and actions it will no longer be that. If you buy a piece of cow in a styrofoam container you have still caused it's death but you have not experienced that death in a real way.

If you are too squeamish to kill an animal then maybe you should reexamine your feelings about eating them. That is actually my point. I think that alot of folks who eat meat would not if they had to kill an animal themselves. The idea that it is moral to eat and animal but not to kill one is strange.

Like I said, I understand the sentiment.  I just think it is an unrealistic expectation. Plus I think you can have the awareness and appreciation that you are eating something that was once alive without actually having to kill it yourself.

I don't understand this, I quit eating meat because I could not accept killing for my food. Yet many calves are killed so I can have my milk. Yes this makes no sense. I do not buy people buying the celophane/styrofoam meat from Wal Mart and not wanting people to hunt. OK isolated incident but that is how my exboss's wife feels. I like her idea because that crap will kill you sooner than later. etc..

[morticaixavier]

A hundred broilers will take 1 50# bag on week one and 2 week two and 3 week three, so 41 bags when they reach 8 weeks, so at 8 weeks you got $575 in feed and say $100 in the purchase of the chicks. so 675 for 100 birds that is like 6.75 per 5# bird.

Turkeys are similar, they have better feed conversion and they can fetch a better price if you sell them.

As a veg I'd be warry of any sobean product, the most GMO plant. Hello tofu.

I would say know what you are eating and how it was raised/grown. Be informed about your food, most people investigate thier next car than they do the food they feed thier kids. OK off soap box till later.

no GMO soy for me thanks. I tend to go with simple non- processed plant proteins but when I do eat tofu it's organic.

[tschmidlin]

Able... well I suppose physically unable folks might get a pass as long as a true willingness exists. But it's hard to say 'I am willing to kill this animal' and really mean it if you are never presented with the opportunity. Doesn't have to be a pig, could be a chicken. even catching a fish is good. It's the awareness that this being is alive and vital and because of your choices and actions it will no longer be that. If you buy a piece of cow in a styrofoam container you have still caused it's death but you have not experienced that death in a real way.

If you are too squeamish to kill an animal then maybe you should reexamine your feelings about eating them. That is actually my point. I think that alot of folks who eat meat would not if they had to kill an animal themselves. The idea that it is moral to eat and animal but not to kill one is strange.

Like I said, I understand the sentiment.  I just think it is an unrealistic expectation. Plus I think you can have the awareness and appreciation that you are eating something that was once alive without actually having to kill it yourself.

I don't understand this, I quit eating meat because I could not accept killing for my food. Yet many calves are killed so I can have my milk. Yes this makes no sense. I do not buy people buying the celophane/styrofoam meat from Wal Mart and not wanting people to hunt. OK isolated incident but that is how my exboss's wife feels. I like her idea because that crap will kill you sooner than later. etc..

I agree, it seems weird to be pro meat and anti-hunting.  I don't hunt, mostly because it is not fun for me.  I was always too cold and bored, and I don't like getting up early.  But that's me, if you're into it go for it.

[boulderbrewer]

Good for ya! I worry about the frozen veggies we buy, hard to get things to grown in 2 ft of snow. We are on http://tinychat.com/roffenburger if you want to chat and can chat

[boulderbrewer]

Able... well I suppose physically unable folks might get a pass as long as a true willingness exists. But it's hard to say 'I am willing to kill this animal' and really mean it if you are never presented with the opportunity. Doesn't have to be a pig, could be a chicken. even catching a fish is good. It's the awareness that this being is alive and vital and because of your choices and actions it will no longer be that. If you buy a piece of cow in a styrofoam container you have still caused it's death but you have not experienced that death in a real way.

If you are too squeamish to kill an animal then maybe you should reexamine your feelings about eating them. That is actually my point. I think that alot of folks who eat meat would not if they had to kill an animal themselves. The idea that it is moral to eat and animal but not to kill one is strange.

Like I said, I understand the sentiment.  I just think it is an unrealistic expectation. Plus I think you can have the awareness and appreciation that you are eating something that was once alive without actually having to kill it yourself.

I don't understand this, I quit eating meat because I could not accept killing for my food. Yet many calves are killed so I can have my milk. Yes this makes no sense. I do not buy people buying the celophane/styrofoam meat from Wal Mart and not wanting people to hunt. OK isolated incident but that is how my exboss's wife feels. I like her idea because that crap will kill you sooner than later. etc..

I agree, it seems weird to be pro meat and anti-hunting.  I don't hunt, mostly because it is not fun for me.  I was always too cold and bored, and I don't like getting up early.  But that's me, if you're into it go for it.

That is why I don't hunt anymore and the wolves have killed most deer. Don't want to hunt grouse cause we have quail, chickens and turkey.

[punatic]

Mmmmmmmm, flank steak!  I'm not much of a beefeater, but I do loves me some flank steak!