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« on: October 16, 2013, 03:40:33 PM »
I have a saison recipe that a lot of people love and have asked me for the recipe. Does anyone know a way to copyright it? Thank you for your input.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2013, 03:59:56 PM »
You are better keeping it a trade secret.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2013, 04:01:22 PM »
Copyright essentially provides no protection for recipes beyond the written form of the recipe.  Copyright would make it illegal for someone to reproduce the exact form of the recipe but does not make it illegal for someone to make beer from your recipe.  If you want, you can still put a copyright sign on your recipe and put your name next to it. 

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Re: Copyright
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2013, 04:10:07 PM »
Beer recipes are a dime a dozen. Recipes in general can't be copyrighted, the legal folks can correct if wrong (looks like they already have weighed in). As said keep it secret, like the Coke Cola recipe if you think it is supper special.

There are recipes for Pliny the Elder on the web, supplied by Vinnie Cilurzo. Now why would he do that? He says the equipment and procedures are hard to duplicate, so you get a similar beer, but not exactly the same. Sort of like Grandma's apple pie recipe.

MY homebrew club did an activity that weighed out the same ingredients in kits - malt, hops and yeast - for club members to brew a home, so water and process were not controlled. When judged there was a 20 point spread. So much for a recipe being special.

 
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2013, 04:17:23 PM »
I have a saison recipe that a lot of people love and have asked me for the recipe. Does anyone know a way to copyright it? Thank you for your input.

Are you the owner of the brewery that sells this beer? Or just a home brewer serving friends?  Either way I would be honored they asked and just give it out.  Most probably won't brew it.  And few if any will brew it "just like you".   But, thinking as I type here (dangerous), what could you copyright? The grain bill? The hops used? You mashed at 156.0859 degrees?  I'm curious as to what the legal folks have to say...
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2013, 04:23:58 PM »
Beer recipes are a dime a dozen. Recipes in general can't be copyrighted, the legal folks can correct if wrong (looks like they already have weighed in). As said keep it secret, like the Coke Cola recipe if you think it is supper special.

There are recipes for Pliny the Elder on the web, supplied by Vinnie Cilurzo. Now why would he do that? He says the equipment and procedures are hard to duplicate, so you get a similar beer, but not exactly the same. Sort of like Grandma's apple pie recipe.

MY homebrew club did an activity that weighed out the same ingredients in kits - malt, hops and yeast - for club members to brew a home, so water and process were not controlled. When judged there was a 20 point spread. So much for a recipe being special.

 
+1.  I've tried several other brewers versions of the Pliny recipe aside from mine - most were good, but WIDE variance there.  Heck, water chemistry differences alone (as mentioned) makes a huge difference, aside from inherent differences in systems and methods. I think Denny posted regarding his awesome BVIP recipe that he had tasted many versions of it brewed by other homebrewers, that most were very good, but none were a whole lot like his.  I say do the opposite - give them the recipe and see just how different their versions are.  A yeast driven beer like a saison will change dramatically depending on fermentation temp, ramp up schedule, etc. Our breweries (and exact methods start to finish) really are unique.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 04:25:17 PM »
I have a saison recipe that a lot of people love and have asked me for the recipe. Does anyone know a way to copyright it? Thank you for your input.

Are you the owner of the brewery that sells this beer? Or just a home brewer serving friends?  Either way I would be honored they asked and just give it out.  Most probably won't brew it.  And few if any will brew it "just like you".   But, thinking as I type here (dangerous), what could you copyright? The grain bill? The hops used? You mashed at 156.0859 degrees?  I'm curious as to what the legal folks have to say...

I am just a home brewer.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 04:26:28 PM »
Thank you all very much. Your posts were very helpful.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2013, 04:57:59 PM »
I have always benefited from the advice and free sharing of recipes that others have given me. I give my recipes out.

Though I have just remembered that I owe a couple of guys a recipe.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 05:22:55 PM »
The only way to totally duplicate it is
Same grain bill
Same hops
Same water
Same yeast
Same equipment
Same brewer

I think all of these play into the finished product.

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Re: Copyright
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 05:35:33 PM »
I have decided to give them the recipe. I was curious about copyright. "freely ye have received, freely give." Thanks to all of you. Your advise and counsel was very helpful.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 06:09:09 PM »
I have always benefited from the advice and free sharing of recipes that others have given me. I give my recipes out.

Though I have just remembered that I owe a couple of guys a recipe.

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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2013, 06:12:10 PM »
I have decided to give them the recipe. I was curious about copyright. "freely ye have received, freely give." Thanks to all of you. Your advise and counsel was very helpful.
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Re: Copyright
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2013, 06:24:08 PM »
I have a very good scrambled egg technique. It has been copyrighted. Ya'll are warned! :)
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 08:04:17 PM »
I have a very good scrambled egg technique. It has been copyrighted. Ya'll are warned! :)

Darn it.....  I just bought 18 eggs to scramble.  Now what do I do.  NOT QUICHE. 
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