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Re: Building Water
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2013, 08:21:14 AM »
Thank you for taking the time to explain all of that. I think I'm on the right track now

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« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2013, 09:25:49 AM »
For what its worth Jim, below is my water report from Ward Labs.  Doubtless it will be different from yours but closer than say, the Puget Sound area.

I wish I had a well.  I use 100% RO water because they draw from different sources at different times, making water chemistry a moving target behind a curtain.

Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 179
Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.30
Cations / Anions, me/L 2.9 / 3.2

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Sodium, Na 40
Potassium, K 5
Calcium, Ca 12
Magnesium, Mg 5
Total Hardness, CaCO3 51
Nitrate, NO3-N 0.2 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S 3
Chloride, Cl 6
Carbonate, CO3 9
Bicarbonate, HCO3 154
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 141
Fluoride, F 0.53
Total Iron, Fe < 0.01

"<" - Not Detected / Below Detection Limit
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Re: Building Water
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2013, 09:31:42 AM »
Cool thanks. When I get my water analyzed I will post and seek advice. I rather doubt I'll ever be a chemist

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Re: Building Water
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2013, 11:58:41 AM »
Here is my well water report from Ward Labs. I'm about 20 miles SE of Steve and I'd guess 60 miles NE of Jim. As you can see it's hard and alkaline.

PH        7.9
TDS    251
EC      0.42
Cat/An  4.8/4.4

Na       17
K          1
Ca        46
Mg         20
Hard CaCO3     198
Nit        1.3 (safe)
Sulfate    2
Cl           4
CO3       <1
HCO3      249
T Alk CaCO3      204

This put my water in the "ok for stouts and porters" category. I use about 50% RO for pale beers and 100% RO for pilsners and lighter beers.

Jim, like Steve said your water is more than likely going to be closer to the west side's water, which is good for brewing. Kind of ironic that where 80% of the US hops are grown, we need to manipulate the water to properly utilize them.   

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Re: Building Water
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2013, 01:01:24 PM »
I just take some O2 molecules, mix them up good with twice as many H2 molecules, add some heat, and voilà... water. 

Easy speasy, 1,2,threesy.

Now that is an explosive idea!


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Re: Building Water
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2013, 01:32:59 PM »
Here is my well water report from Ward Labs. I'm about 20 miles SE of Steve and I'd guess 60 miles NE of Jim. As you can see it's hard and alkaline.

PH        7.9
TDS    251
EC      0.42
Cat/An  4.8/4.4

Na       17
K          1
Ca        46
Mg         20
Hard CaCO3     198
Nit        1.3 (safe)
Sulfate    2
Cl           4
CO3       <1
HCO3      249
T Alk CaCO3      204

This put my water in the "ok for stouts and porters" category. I use about 50% RO for pale beers and 100% RO for pilsners and lighter beers.

Jim, like Steve said your water is more than likely going to be closer to the west side's water, which is good for brewing. Kind of ironic that where 80% of the US hops are grown, we need to manipulate the water to properly utilize them.

I suspect that my water is going to be different than the valley. I'm no geologist but it seems I'd have spring water from the Columbia ans Klickitat rivers forced through basalt to where my well is at 1800' above sea level. Time will tell though.

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Re: Building Water
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2013, 12:59:47 PM »
Bit the bullet and ordered my Ward Labs test. It won't be done by my next brew day obviously, but it won't be long till I get to retire from this guessing game. Woo hoo!

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Re: Building Water
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2013, 01:00:59 PM »
Bit the bullet and ordered my Ward Labs test. It won't be done by my next brew day obviously, but it won't be long till I get to retire from this guessing game. Woo hoo!

Me too! I sent in samples of pre-softened and post-softened water to the lab and they're on the way. Just wanted to see the delta. I live in Beavercreek, OH so I suspect pretty crappy results (as Gordon Strong has suggested) and I expect that I'll start using RO water as well.

Brewed my last few batches (IPAs and a Pumpkin) with post-softened water. They weren't bad, but not great either.

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Re: Building Water
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2013, 03:04:09 PM »
Bit the bullet and ordered my Ward Labs test. It won't be done by my next brew day obviously, but it won't be long till I get to retire from this guessing game. Woo hoo!

Me too! I sent in samples of pre-softened and post-softened water to the lab and they're on the way. Just wanted to see the delta. I live in Beavercreek, OH so I suspect pretty crappy results (as Gordon Strong has suggested) and I expect that I'll start using RO water as well.

Brewed my last few batches (IPAs and a Pumpkin) with post-softened water. They weren't bad, but not great either.

Post the results when you get those. Always good to see water profiles from around the country.

There is the sticky thread in the ingredients section with many posted there.
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Re: Building Water
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2013, 11:20:46 AM »

Post the results when you get those. Always good to see water profiles from around the country.

There is the sticky thread in the ingredients section with many posted there.

Will do. I'll post both results so everyone can see the effects of a softener... or at least my softener!  ;D

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Re: Building Water
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2013, 03:50:02 PM »
FWIW Mort, a few years back I asked my bottled water company for the analysis and they emailed it to me -- no problem.  It is reverse osmosis with added back minerals, which they listed in milligrams (and darn few of them, to boot).  No chlorine (obviously) and the water originates from a deep artesian well. My water is as hard as can be (without a softener it immediately stains toilets, tanks, shower stalls, etc...), so I don't even use it diluted.

Good luck Jim and good thread here!
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Re: Building Water
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2013, 04:26:11 PM »
Thanks. Today is my last WAG brew day. I'll be working from my ward report from there on out.

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Re: Building Water
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2013, 08:48:14 PM »
Thanks. Today is my last WAG brew day. I'll be working from my ward report from there on out.

So your next will be a SWAG brew day!  Right on!
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Re: Building Water
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2013, 10:21:00 PM »
Not sure what that means.

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Re: Building Water
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2013, 11:32:48 PM »
WAG = wild ass guess
SWAG = stupid/silly/scientific/super/semi wild ass guess

I'm not sure which he meant ;)
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