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Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« on: November 10, 2013, 12:48:57 PM »
Here's the analysis:

Mineral Content   Grains/US Gallon
Sodium Chloride   0.142
Sodium Sulphate   0.598
Sodium Nitrate   0.026
Potassium Sulphate   0.116
Calcium Sulphate   0.572
Ferrous Carbonate   0.005
Magnesium Carbonate   1.110
Strontium Carbonate   trace
Alumina   0.045
Silica   0.496
Ammonium Chloride   absent
Albuminoid Nitrogen   0.0012
Organic Matter   0.275
Total   10.1102
Gases   Cubic Inches/Gallon
Free Carbonic Acid   2.2
Carbonic Acid in Bicarbonates   7.14
Dissolved Oxygen   0.41

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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 02:12:16 PM »
Sorry Dude, I spent hours converting results like that for the upcoming article on Burton water. You're on your own.  I suggest sending a sample to Ward if you want something intelligible.
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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 02:47:42 PM »
What Martin said!
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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2013, 02:52:11 PM »
Water rookie raises hand...
Is the problem that it's in grains per gallon rather than parts per million?

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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2013, 03:13:29 PM »
Yeah, looks like alot of converting units  :)   Too much fun for me.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2013, 05:14:09 PM »
SC 2.433ppm
SS 10.248ppm
SN .445ppm
PS 1.445ppm
CS 9.80
FS .085
MC 19.022

According to http://www.unitconversion.org/concentration-solution/grains-per-gallon-us-to-parts-per-million-ppm-conversion.html

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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 06:09:57 AM »
Jim, now split all those compounds into their constituents and sum them. 
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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 09:37:55 AM »
Oh... you just lost me. Lol!

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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2013, 09:49:11 AM »
Oh... you just lost me. Lol!
He means to break them down to the ions they dissolve in and add them up.

Calcium Sulfate to Ca and SO4, sodium chloride to Na and Cl.

I will leave that to the pros.

Hey Martin - any idea as to why these data are expressed that way?
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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2013, 09:55:32 AM »
Random question - why the sulphate spelling instead of sulfate? This is a US city, right?

And when converting the ions to ppm, don't forget to multiply the by the number of atoms per molecule. I.e., sodium sulfate is Na2SO4 so you need to multiply the ppm by two to get the sodium concentration from that salt.

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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2013, 09:58:48 AM »
Oh... you just lost me. Lol!
He means to break them down to the ions they dissolve in and add them up.

Calcium Sulfate to Ca and SO4, sodium chloride to Na and Cl.


Still lost. But that's ok. If it was easy everyone would do it. I have my own areas of expertise but science and math ain't one of them.

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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2013, 10:03:32 AM »
Betcha the EPA wouldn't accept those numbers.  Time to go back to the agency and get a full report.
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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2013, 10:05:02 AM »
Who reports water analyses in that form?  :o.

Is there a purpose for it being reported like that, or does it come from the analytical methods?
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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2013, 11:34:37 AM »
The biggest source of alkalinity by far appears to be magnesium carbonate at 1.11 grains/gallon, which is 19 ppm.  The water would then be very soft which makes it useful for all manner of beers with the appropriate addition of salts.  You have almost no calcium in there so you would want to add CaSO4 or CaCl2 to get your calcium between 50-150 ppm.

I'm not sure if I trust the numbers or my understanding of them.  Is the water soft in your experience?  If so I would assume what I said is correct.  If not, what I said is baloney.

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Re: Water from Berkely Springs WV Good for beer? What kind?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2013, 11:42:08 AM »
The numbers appear to come from  a spa (http://berkeleysprings.com/aboutthewater.html).  Contact your municipality to get a proper report in mg/l.
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