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Re: Lottery
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2013, 02:10:18 AM »
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2013, 05:07:25 AM »
You could have saved us a lot of time and effort by simply posting this previously :)
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2013, 08:03:45 AM »
Why not just do the same thing the BA does for World Beer Cup (and frankly should also do for GABF)?

1. Figure out how many beers are realistic to judge in each region based on previous years, projected help this year, etc.
2. Open registration for 2 weeks.
3. Divide number of beers by number of registrations to give you number of beers each person can enter.

Ultimately if there is a cap of let's say 2000 entries in a specific region, the fact that 1500 of them are Pale Ales shouldn't necessarily matter.

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Re: Lottery
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2013, 08:45:24 AM »
Re: #3...
Since we know only members are getting in now, it would seem like tracking by AHA number wouldn't be that hard.  But assuredly there's difficulties I have no idea even exist, so OK...

I would submit that any winner of one of the 4 major individual awards should get some guaranteed entries, if they want them, for life.  I'd let you sort out how many.  Sort of a "Green Jacket." 

Adding giving single-year guarantees to the 84 medal winners doesn't seem altogether unfair - I think any medal winner deserves a chance to defend it if they want.

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Re: Lottery
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2013, 08:51:24 AM »
#4 is very likely to happen, the more volunteers the more entries we can judge, and that helps with a lot of these problems.

one more thing - will additional volunteerism mean additional entries?  Let's say I judged at two different regions last year, as well as the Finals.  Is that valued any higher than someone who just helped out at one region?

...tough call I'd not want to have to make.  Good luck.   ;D

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Re: Lottery
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2013, 12:48:11 PM »
Why not just do the same thing the BA does for World Beer Cup (and frankly should also do for GABF)?

1. Figure out how many beers are realistic to judge in each region based on previous years, projected help this year, etc.
2. Open registration for 2 weeks.
3. Divide number of beers by number of registrations to give you number of beers each person can enter.

Ultimately if there is a cap of let's say 2000 entries in a specific region, the fact that 1500 of them are Pale Ales shouldn't necessarily matter.
This is essentially what we are doing.  What happens though, when #3 means that each brewer gets to enter 0.5 beers?  I think that is the problem we are up against, but we won't know until we have open registration and assess the demand.  If we get 4000 people registering for 8000 beers, everyone will get to enter 2.  But if we get 16000 people entering for those same 8000 entries then we will need to leave some people out.

Re: #3...
Since we know only members are getting in now, it would seem like tracking by AHA number wouldn't be that hard.  But assuredly there's difficulties I have no idea even exist, so OK...
I do favor this proposal, but it's not entirely up to me.  The issue is that using NHC winners one year to give entries to the NHC for the next year means that you have to break in to the winners circle to have any confidence you can enter without being a volunteer.  I know, everyone should volunteer, right?  Well, not everyone lives close to a judging center, kids have birthdays, people go on vacation, some people work weekends - it is not always realistic for people to help out.  I missed out on a local barleywine festival 4 years in a row because they kept scheduling it on weekends when I had other obligations.  Which leaves busy folks with the lottery as their only way of getting a foot in the door, unless you make some allowance for winning OTHER competitions, which is where the tracking becomes a complete nightmare.

one more thing - will additional volunteerism mean additional entries?  Let's say I judged at two different regions last year, as well as the Finals.  Is that valued any higher than someone who just helped out at one region?

...tough call I'd not want to have to make.  Good luck.   ;D
I don't think we lack volunteers for the final round, so I would not expect to get entries for helping out there.  In fact, maybe we should track who comes to the conference and deduct entries from those who DON'T help in the final round. :)

Whether you get extra entries for judging at multiple first round sites remains to be seen.
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2013, 12:58:25 PM »
(not stirring things, I swear)
Hypothetically, under what you're describing, there could be 4,000 entrants two beers each. Who decides what styles? If the entrant chooses isn't it possible/probable you could end up with no entries in some styles?

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Re: Lottery
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2013, 01:04:55 PM »
(not stirring things, I swear)
Hypothetically, under what you're describing, there could be 4,000 entrants two beers each. Who decides what styles? If the entrant chooses isn't it possible/probable you could end up with no entries in some styles?
The brewers choose what to enter, they always have and I think that's the right way to do it.  If some style ends up with no entries I don't care - if people don't want to brew and enter a category why should we even have it?  I would rather add a separate category for Triple IPA than force a few hundred people to enter a Tomato Weizen.
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2013, 01:09:40 PM »
Hey, I brew an awesome tomato/wheat beer!   But that's not where it ends.  (TPW)  ;D
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2013, 01:17:11 PM »
Hey, I brew an awesome tomato/wheat beer!   But that's not where it ends.  (TPW)  ;D
And I have an awesome pet unicorn. :)
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2013, 01:18:31 PM »
Could you dry celery the tomato weizen?
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2013, 01:27:56 PM »
Could you dry celery the tomato weizen?
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2013, 01:37:40 PM »
Could you dry celery the tomato weizen?

Funny stuff !   :D
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Re: Lottery
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2013, 03:14:50 PM »
Good point Tom. Then one could surmise that gold in IPA means more than a gold in MaterWeisen.

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Re: Lottery
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2013, 03:27:04 PM »
Tom, I have not judged second round, as I would want a better judge than me evaluating my second round beers.  :D

Have done first round. Will again if no conflicts.
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