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First Cider
« on: November 20, 2013, 10:58:26 PM »
2 gallons Western Family AJ
1/2 packet US05

Holy cow. Cheated after a week of bottle condish, smells like honey. Tastes like a half Angry Orchard,  half Kamikaze. Sweet start, followed by tart lime vodka, tiplesec

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Re: First Cider
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013, 05:31:10 AM »
Just about any homemade cider is going to taste very tart compared to the commercial stuff.  Commercial ciders are often made to taste extremely sweet with a ton of fresh apple flavor.  REAL cider is nothing like that at all, and that is what you are experiencing.

I also noticed when I've used US-05 that it gives off this big yummy honey flavor.  So it wasn't just me!?
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Re: First Cider
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2013, 06:31:54 AM »
I also noticed when I've used US-05 that it gives off this big yummy honey flavor.  So it wasn't just me!?
I must try this!
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Re: First Cider
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 07:09:55 AM »
I've made 3 ciders now using Mott's apple juice, Nottingham yeast, and backsweetening with frozen apple juice concentrate.  Two I've added a couple pounds of brown sugar to.  A couple have gone on to win medals and a Cider Maker of the Year award.

Definitely feels like cheating how easy it is compare to brewing beer.  I plan to have at least one cider on tap at all times from now on.

A big thanks goes out to Chris Banker for his presentation at NHC and Drew Beechum for his new cider book!
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Re: First Cider
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 07:30:20 AM »
How do you keep the cider from refermenting the apple concentrate?

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Re: First Cider
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2013, 07:39:26 AM »
Potassium Sorbate (Sorbate K - 1/2 tsp per gallon) and Campden Tablets (1 tablet per gallon).
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Re: First Cider
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 08:35:27 AM »
Potassium Sorbate (Sorbate K - 1/2 tsp per gallon) and Campden Tablets (1 tablet per gallon).

and keep them cold. this is in a keg.
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Re: First Cider
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2014, 03:21:47 PM »
I made grocery store cider using 15 quarts (5 bottles at 2.50 each) of Walmart brand cider.  I used S04 yeast, yeast nutrient, and added pomegranite juice at kegging.  I thought it came out great, very quaffable.

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Re: First Cider
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2014, 05:04:04 PM »
Potassium Sorbate (Sorbate K - 1/2 tsp per gallon) and Campden Tablets (1 tablet per gallon).

and keep them cold. this is in a keg.

+1
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Re: First Cider
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2014, 06:43:53 AM »
Potassium Sorbate (Sorbate K - 1/2 tsp per gallon) and Campden Tablets (1 tablet per gallon).
and keep them cold. this is in a keg.
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I know someone who uses a non cold tolerant yeast and just keeps the keg cold after backsweetening. It stays sweetened for months without sorbate.
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Re: First Cider
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2014, 07:13:14 AM »
Potassium Sorbate (Sorbate K - 1/2 tsp per gallon) and Campden Tablets (1 tablet per gallon).
and keep them cold. this is in a keg.
+1
I know someone who uses a non cold tolerant yeast and just keeps the keg cold after backsweetening. It stays sweetened for months without sorbate.


Is this a readily available strain by chance ?  Before I started using sorbate, all the strains I used would slowly get drier (for obvious reasons) after backsweetening.
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Re: First Cider
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2014, 07:19:10 AM »
Potassium Sorbate (Sorbate K - 1/2 tsp per gallon) and Campden Tablets (1 tablet per gallon).
and keep them cold. this is in a keg.
+1
I know someone who uses a non cold tolerant yeast and just keeps the keg cold after backsweetening. It stays sweetened for months without sorbate.


Is this a readily available strain by chance ?  Before I started using sorbate, all the strains I used would slowly get drier (for obvious reasons) after backsweetening.

at fridge temperatures? 

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Re: First Cider
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2014, 07:33:07 AM »

Is this a readily available strain by chance ?  Before I started using sorbate, all the strains I used would slowly get drier (for obvious reasons) after backsweetening.

at fridge temperatures? 

Over time, yeah.  A new keg that got polished off quickly was fine obviously.

I dunno what to tell you then.  I always keep a keg or two of still, sweet cider with nothing but cold and a racking or two stopping fermentation.  one's been in there 8 months or so, remains still.

my SOP is to make dry ciders with cider apples and wine yeast or fruit cider with 3711, but occasionally make sweet cider with plain store-bought juice and ale yeast, and just stop it somewhere between 1.010 and 1.020.  I use 3068, 3333, 1968, 1728, and 3726 most often.  I've successfully stopped Cotes Des Blanc too.  So again, I dunno what to say...my fridge is colder than yours?

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Re: First Cider
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2014, 07:43:00 AM »

Is this a readily available strain by chance ?  Before I started using sorbate, all the strains I used would slowly get drier (for obvious reasons) after backsweetening.

at fridge temperatures? 

Over time, yeah.  A new keg that got polished off quickly was fine obviously.

my fridge is colder than yours?

cheers--
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That could very well be.  I keep my kegerator more at ale serving temps.  An extra few degreesF might be the difference.  Honestly though, my ciders go pretty quickly so there's no issue. When I get back to brewing lagers this year I'm sure I'll cool the kegerator a bit.
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