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Offline gymrat

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Saison with a twist
« on: November 26, 2013, 04:06:39 PM »
Any reason that this would be a bad idea? I am planning on using Lallemand Belle Saison yeast but beersmith doesn't have an option for that so I substituted Nottingham just to have something in there.

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Farmhouse Ale
Brewer: Roger
Asst Brewer: Ralph the Wonderdog
Style: Saison
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 5.70 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.20 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal   
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.060 SG
Estimated Color: 5.4 SRM
Estimated IBU: 75.6 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
6 lbs                 Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)           Grain         1        57.1 %       
3 lbs                 White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM)               Grain         2        28.6 %       
8.0 oz                Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM)                 Grain         3        4.8 %         
0.50 oz               Nelson Sauvin [12.00 %] - First Wort 60. Hop           4        24.4 IBUs     
1 lbs                 Corn Sugar (Dextrose) (0.0 SRM)          Sugar         5        9.5 %         
1.00 oz               Nelson Sauvin [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min  Hop           6        22.0 IBUs     
1.00 oz               Nelson Sauvin [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min  Hop           7        16.1 IBUs     
1.50 oz               Nelson Sauvin [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min   Hop           8        13.2 IBUs     
1.0 pkg               Nottingham Yeast (Lallemand #-) [23.66 m Yeast         9        -             


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 10 lbs 8.0 oz
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 04:29:49 PM »
Looks good to me.  That's more IBUs than I've ever put into a Saison and not sure I've had a commercial version like that either.  I've used Belle Saison a couple of times and have been very happy with it.

I'm no expert, but if it were me and I was using that much hops, I would raise the malt bill to get closer to an OG of 1.070 or just cut out the 15 and 10 minute hops and had them at flameout. 
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 04:46:41 PM »
I like the looks of the grist.  But it is a high IBU level in a beer that finishes so low.  I think my last one had ~ 32 IBUs, with an oz of Nelson @ 20 mins and 2 or 2.5 oz more @ flameout.  The combo of Nelson + Saison yeast is a pretty darn good one though !
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2013, 05:00:04 PM »
The IBUs are double for the style but I love em and wanted to make sure I can taste them. I think I would rather cut back on the hops than raise the ABV though.
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2013, 06:07:13 PM »
I would lose the corn sugar. I personally never use it in my saisons.
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2013, 06:16:08 PM »
I've used a lb and had good results, but I've left it out of the last couple.  Mashing low and using plenty of good yeast gets it there for me.
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2013, 06:55:25 PM »
I have this pound of corn sugar. I dont remember how I got it. But I thought this might be a good way to use it up.
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2013, 07:00:10 PM »
I like the idea of using the Nelson Sauvin in it. Sounds good to me!
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 07:03:34 PM »
The grape notes in Nelson work really well with a saison yeast, many of which finish kind of tart. I like it best with WY3724 but have liked Nelson with other yeasts too.
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 07:34:28 PM »
The grape notes in Nelson work really well with a saison yeast, many of which finish kind of tart. I like it best with WY3724 but have liked Nelson with other yeasts too.

+1 to this. I recently had a saison with nelson and it was divine. I think of saison, at least the lighter ones, are really similar to bright, dry, crisp white wines and nelson is all about the white wine/grape thing
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2013, 08:53:33 AM »
I've had a couple saisons with Nelson Sauvin that I liked. One also had muscat grape juice so the white wine character came through as a dominant flavor. It was good.
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2013, 09:00:44 AM »
The IBUs are double for the style but I love em and wanted to make sure I can taste them. I think I would rather cut back on the hops than raise the ABV though.

I used one ounce of Nelson Sauvin (perhaps as a dryhop) in a saison and I could easily taste it. 

Also why don't you add Belle Saison to your yeast list?
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2013, 01:40:23 PM »
The IBUs are double for the style but I love em and wanted to make sure I can taste them. I think I would rather cut back on the hops than raise the ABV though.

I used one ounce of Nelson Sauvin (perhaps as a dryhop) in a saison and I could easily taste it. 

Also why don't you add Belle Saison to your yeast list?

I haven't figured out how.
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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2013, 01:44:36 PM »
I haven't figured out how.

Go to the Ingredients tab - choose Yeast. Click on the "Home" tab up at the top and you should see a button that looks like a yeast vial labelled "Add Yeast".

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Re: Saison with a twist
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2013, 02:05:38 PM »
Thankyou. I couldn't find the attenuation stats on Belle yeast so I don't know how accurate the predictions will be.

Here is my current revised recipe btw

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Farmhouse Ale
Brewer: Roger
Asst Brewer: Ralph the Wonderdog
Style: Saison
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 5.70 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.20 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal   
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.060 SG
Estimated Color: 5.4 SRM
Estimated IBU: 40.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
6 lbs                 Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)           Grain         1        57.1 %       
3 lbs                 White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM)               Grain         2        28.6 %       
8.0 oz                Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM)                 Grain         3        4.8 %         
1 lbs                 Corn Sugar (Dextrose) (0.0 SRM)          Sugar         4        9.5 %         
0.50 oz               Nelson Sauvin [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min  Hop           5        11.0 IBUs     
1.00 oz               Nelson Sauvin [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min  Hop           6        16.1 IBUs     
1.50 oz               Nelson Sauvin [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min   Hop           7        13.2 IBUs     
1.0 pkg               Belle Saison (Lallemand #)               Yeast         8        -             


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 10 lbs 8.0 oz
Ralph's Brewery
Topeka, KS