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Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:52:19 PM »
Does anyone have any recommendations for a dry yeast for an English style Barleywine?  Thinking an OG of 1.090-1.100.

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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 08:14:24 AM »
I've made an Old Ale with Nottingham that turned out quite good.  I'm not usually a fan of Nottingham as I get a tartness from it, but it was outstanding in the Old Ale.  Starting gravity of 1.096 or thereabouts so I know it can perform on a big beer.  In side by side fermentations, I preferred it in this beer over Wyeast ESB which is one of my favorites.

As a matter of fact, I have a batch fermenting now with a combination of Nottingham and Windsor (as well as a batch with ESB).  I repitched this yeast from a porter where the initial sachet of Nottingham didn't take off so I wound up pitching a second and then some Windsor.  The porter came out great and if the Old Ale does, too, I may save this mix for a couple more batches.
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2013, 08:27:29 AM »
I was happy with S04 in a barleywine.
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2013, 08:35:15 AM »
While I have no specific experience with this yeast, WLP007 dry is a good candidate as it is a more attenuative English yeast.
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2013, 12:23:13 PM »
While I have no specific experience with this yeast, WLP007 dry is a good candidate as it is a more attenuative English yeast.

WLP007 is a liquid yeast. It's name "Dry English Ale" just refers to the fact that it ferments dryer than a typical English Ale yeast.
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2013, 12:38:24 PM »
I used 2 packs of S-04 per 5gal in a Russian Imperial Stout and it did very well.
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2013, 01:23:46 PM »
I used 2 packs of S-04 per 5gal in a Russian Imperial Stout and it did very well.

I was happy with S04 in a barleywine.

I get a distinct "bready" note from S-04 that I don't get from the liquid English Ale strains. I like it in certain styles (roasty/toasty styles like brown ales & porters), but no so much in others (fruitier styles like ESB's). I've always been leery in using it in something like a barleywine, since I'm afraid that the bready character would be amplified in a bigger beer with a bigger pitch of yeast. Have you guys found that to be the case?
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 01:37:56 PM »
I used 2 packs of S-04 per 5gal in a Russian Imperial Stout and it did very well.

I was happy with S04 in a barleywine.

I get a distinct "bready" note from S-04 that I don't get from the liquid English Ale strains. I like it in certain styles (roasty/toasty styles like brown ales & porters), but no so much in others (fruitier styles like ESB's). I've always been leery in using it in something like a barleywine, since I'm afraid that the bready character would be amplified in a bigger beer with a bigger pitch of yeast. Have you guys found that to be the case?

I double pitched it in a Wee Heavy, starting gravity 1.080, and it came out great.
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2013, 07:51:17 PM »
I like S-04 in a lot of English styles.  It is a champ in terms of working hard and dropping out when done....
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 08:00:21 PM »
I used 2 packs of S-04 per 5gal in a Russian Imperial Stout and it did very well.

I was happy with S04 in a barleywine.

I get a distinct "bready" note from S-04 that I don't get from the liquid English Ale strains. I like it in certain styles (roasty/toasty styles like brown ales & porters), but no so much in others (fruitier styles like ESB's). I've always been leery in using it in something like a barleywine, since I'm afraid that the bready character would be amplified in a bigger beer with a bigger pitch of yeast. Have you guys found that to be the case?

I too have noticed the bready character of S-04 in more sessionable styles, but in the strong ales, the other characteristics win out.  So I too like S-04 for Barleywines.  It also makes it easy to brew one without making starters, repitching, etc.

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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2013, 09:08:20 AM »
I used 2 packs of S-04 per 5gal in a Russian Imperial Stout and it did very well.

I was happy with S04 in a barleywine.

I get a distinct "bready" note from S-04 that I don't get from the liquid English Ale strains. I like it in certain styles (roasty/toasty styles like brown ales & porters), but no so much in others (fruitier styles like ESB's). I've always been leery in using it in something like a barleywine, since I'm afraid that the bready character would be amplified in a bigger beer with a bigger pitch of yeast. Have you guys found that to be the case?

I don't mind the bready taste from S-04 but fermented in the low 60s it's a very neutral strain. I use it in my American-style beers and ferment it at 60F and it comes out perfectly clean. I brewed an English barleywine last year with S04 and I seem to recall I fermented it at 63 or 64 and it only had a hint of yeast character.

I will say with S04 is not my favorite English strain for flavor but it does really well fermenting across a range of temperatures and I've used it enough I know how to get what I need from it. Makes life easier to keep the one strain to ferment most of the beers I brew in the year.
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2013, 09:27:04 AM »
I've used it several times in the low-mid 60's and have been very happy. I also used it last summer with no temperature control and it was a mess. The beer was loaded with ugly bready/buttery flavors. It's one of the only beers I've dumped.
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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2013, 02:02:34 PM »
Another vote for Nottingham.

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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2013, 02:52:41 PM »
I have had similar experiences with S04 when pushing into the high 60s. Very fruity and bready in my opinion. I am brewing a pale ale tomorrow and going to try this yeast again though I will be very careful to keep the temperature low. Trying to get out of the habit of using US05 for everything but its tough when you don't have great temp control...

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Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2013, 08:20:31 PM »
Another vote for Nottingham.

How do S-04 and Nottingham compare?