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Re: NHC
« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2014, 09:48:40 AM »
I do remember ties even when there were no limits on entries. There was a 3 way tie in San Diego.

So there you go, tiebreakers were needed, and will be needed.
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« Reply #91 on: February 04, 2014, 09:50:45 AM »
Honestly, I can't figure out where #6 is going. It starts as a duplicate of 4 and then switches rounds.
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Re: NHC
« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2014, 09:55:51 AM »
Hi all,

The tie-breaker rules for the Ninkasi Award are posted in the NHC Rules & Regulations (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/).  The tie-breaker criteria was expanded last year to account for the increased possibility of ties occurring.

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I assume "C" should say "Silver"...or perhaps is just a typo that the same one was in there twice?
also, I still don't understand why "d" and "f" are basically the opposite...I brought this up with Gary last year.

d) says fewest Final Round entries
f) says most First Round Entries placing, which = most Final Round entries

(f could instead say fewest First Round entries...just a thought.)


Final Round, the following tie-breaker criteria will apply.
a.The number of medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most medals will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
b.The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
c.The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
d.The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest entries in the Final Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
e.Points will be calculated for tying brewers’ entries that placed in the First Round of the NHC based on the same scale as used in the Final Round. The brewer with the most points in the First Round will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
f.The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the most entries placing in the First Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
g.The total number of entries registered for the First Round of the competition will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest registered entries will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
h.The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.

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Re: NHC
« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2014, 10:00:57 AM »
Hi all,

The tie-breaker rules for the Ninkasi Award are posted in the NHC Rules & Regulations (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/).  The tie-breaker criteria was expanded last year to account for the increased possibility of ties occurring.

Cheers,
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I assume "C" should say "Silver"...or perhaps is just a typo that the same one was in there twice?
also, I still don't understand why "d" and "f" are basically the opposite...I brought this up with Gary last year.

d) says fewest Final Round entries
f) says most First Round Entries placing, which = most Final Round entries

(f could instead say fewest First Round entries...just a thought.)


Final Round, the following tie-breaker criteria will apply.
a.The number of medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most medals will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
b.The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
c.The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
d.The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest entries in the Final Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
e.Points will be calculated for tying brewers’ entries that placed in the First Round of the NHC based on the same scale as used in the Final Round. The brewer with the most points in the First Round will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
f.The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the most entries placing in the First Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
g.The total number of entries registered for the First Round of the competition will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest registered entries will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
h.The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.
G is fewest first round entries, so it can't be F too.
 
Right. If you've arrived at F, you're guaranteed to get a tie because F = D and D is already a tie. This is going to drive me crazy. 
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Re: NHC
« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2014, 10:32:38 AM »
Hi all,

Thanks for pointing out the repeated rule in the Ninkasi Tiebreaker.  That has been fixed.  Thanks.  The tiebreaker list was the result of the AHA Governing Committee Competition Subcommittee discussions following the 2012 National Homebrew Competition.

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« Reply #95 on: February 04, 2014, 11:10:09 AM »
Twenty way knife fight. That should happen on stage regardless of whether there is a tie. It's just something people want to see.
If it does happen it will be over the Brewing Network winning the Homebrew Club of the Year.
Oh dear lord, let's not start this argument again!  ;)
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Re: NHC
« Reply #96 on: February 04, 2014, 11:25:27 AM »
Hi all,

Thanks for pointing out the repeated rule in the Ninkasi Tiebreaker.  That has been fixed.  Thanks.  The tiebreaker list was the result of the AHA Governing Committee Competition Subcommittee discussions following the 2012 National Homebrew Competition.

Cheers,
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« Reply #97 on: February 04, 2014, 11:28:19 AM »
Twenty way knife fight. That should happen on stage regardless of whether there is a tie. It's just something people want to see.
If it does happen it will be over the Brewing Network winning the Homebrew Club of the Year.
Oh dear lord, let's not start this argument again!  ;)
As suggested I think the 'argument' will be settled this year with knives. lol
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« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2014, 12:53:17 PM »
I'll just point out that the last tiebreaker is...
 
g-  The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.
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« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2014, 12:56:11 PM »
Better get that cage built for Grand Rapids.  I'm already training.
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Re: NHC
« Reply #100 on: February 04, 2014, 12:57:52 PM »
I'll just point out that the last tiebreaker is...
 
g-  The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.

We'll break that tie, even if it kills someone....    ;)

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« Reply #101 on: February 05, 2014, 02:09:25 PM »
Better get that cage built for Grand Rapids.  I'm already training.
Unfortunately, after thinking about those rules for a day and doing some math in my head, I've decided that most of the tiebreakers will be almost useless under this year's entry limits. Not completely useless, but almost. For example, the last one about tallying total first round entries - most will be entering the similar numbers of beers this year.
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« Reply #102 on: February 05, 2014, 07:00:58 PM »
It does make sense though. Two way tie with four golds each, except one of them only sent four and the other had one that was a 13...

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« Reply #103 on: February 07, 2014, 07:21:40 AM »
It does make sense though. Two way tie with four golds each, except one of them only sent four and the other had one that was a 13...
I agree it's a fine tiebreaker. But this year the other will not have sent 13. Far more likely to have 4 golds each, and they each sent the max of 5 beers.

Edit: If you send 5 beers to NHC and win 4 gold medals, you're OK in my book.
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Re: NHC
« Reply #104 on: February 07, 2014, 08:23:01 AM »
It does make sense though. Two way tie with four golds each, except one of them only sent four and the other had one that was a 13...
I agree it's a fine tiebreaker. But this year the other will not have sent 13. Far more likely to have 4 golds each, and they each sent the max of 5 beers.

Edit: If you send 5 beers to NHC and win 4 gold medals, you're OK in my book.

Has anyone ever won 4 at the same NHC competition?
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