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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #465 on: December 09, 2015, 01:42:37 PM »
Perhaps it's just me then. I really like it undiluted - especially the complex, aged stuff.


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I have noticed that more often than not I taste flavors with a few drops of water or a cube that I miss neat. Its counter intuitive for sure.

Whiskey bar I mentioned the other they were eye droppering water into neat drinks. I tried my buddy's before and after and while I am still skeptical it could have made a real difference I did at least perceive the whiskey opened up afterwards.

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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #466 on: December 09, 2015, 01:44:04 PM »

Perhaps it's just me then. I really like it undiluted - especially the complex, aged stuff.


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I have noticed that more often than not I taste flavors with a few drops of water or a cube that I miss neat. Its counter intuitive for sure.

Whiskey bar I mentioned the other they were eye droppering water into neat drinks. I tried my buddy's before and after and while I am still skeptical it could have made a real difference I did at least perceive the whiskey opened up afterwards.
Never done this. How many drops we taking about?


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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #467 on: December 09, 2015, 01:54:46 PM »
When I've added water to Scotch, it's always been a drop or two at a time. Once you get the right amount of water the aroma opens up noticeably, I've always stopped then.
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #468 on: December 09, 2015, 02:35:50 PM »
I've been to Scotch tastings, once with some dude in a kilt from Johnny Walker (I think he was one of the distillers), and they have always insisted you need some water to open the flavors.

If I don't add cubes (I prefer the biggest cubes possible), I'll add a splash of water.  100 proof should get a splash, IMO.  For some of the harsher whiskeys (Very Old Barton, for example) some water (or melted cubes) has a dramatic impact.
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #469 on: December 09, 2015, 03:42:16 PM »
interesting- i will have to start experimenting with this theory and see what I perceive. 
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #470 on: December 09, 2015, 04:00:57 PM »
Do it slowly, I was recently at a distillery where they mentioned if you cut the alcohol too fast you can cause the profile to be less than stellar. So they cut and wait, cut and wait, cut and wait...they indicated when they did it all at once it just didn't come out as well. Not sure of the science behind it.
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #471 on: December 09, 2015, 04:27:48 PM »
Do it slowly, I was recently at a distillery where they mentioned if you cut the alcohol too fast you can cause the profile to be less than stellar. So they cut and wait, cut and wait, cut and wait...they indicated when they did it all at once it just didn't come out as well. Not sure of the science behind it.
I don't know the science either, but my perception of it is that the alcohol hotness kind of gets out of the way so other things are noticed. I don't get it because simple dilution of the alcohol doesn't make much sense because the amount of water is so little.
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #472 on: December 09, 2015, 05:30:12 PM »

Do it slowly, I was recently at a distillery where they mentioned if you cut the alcohol too fast you can cause the profile to be less than stellar. So they cut and wait, cut and wait, cut and wait...they indicated when they did it all at once it just didn't come out as well. Not sure of the science behind it.
I don't know the science either, but my perception of it is that the alcohol hotness kind of gets out of the way so other things are noticed. I don't get it because simple dilution of the alcohol doesn't make much sense because the amount of water is so little.

Yeah you would think a few drops wouldn't do much- compared to splash of water or whole cube volume. 

Going to pour some different ones tonight or this week and try drops of water to the point I perceive something different.


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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #473 on: December 09, 2015, 06:30:29 PM »
I didn't count the drops. Bar tender gave my friend a small vial filled with water and he dropped several drops in. It did seem to make a difference.

I disagree that all whiskey needs water, but some definitely benefits from a splash or two. One thing you will find when you add ice is you will drink the whiskey much faster. If you drink neat or with a splash you will drink slower.

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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #474 on: December 09, 2015, 06:38:36 PM »
One thing you will find when you add ice is you will drink the whiskey much faster. If you drink neat or with a splash you will drink slower.

now this ^^^^^ I understand and agree with  ;D
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #475 on: December 09, 2015, 07:48:45 PM »
I disagree that all whiskey needs water, but some definitely benefits from a splash or two. One thing you will find when you add ice is you will drink the whiskey much faster. If you drink neat or with a splash you will drink slower.

Apparently I was unaware there were acceptable speeds for consumption. ;)

I find the more I spent on the hooch the slower I ingest it...YMMV
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #476 on: December 09, 2015, 07:53:45 PM »
I find the more I spent on the hooch the slower I ingest it...YMMV


I find the same. The pricey stuff definitely sticks around longer.
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #477 on: December 09, 2015, 07:58:05 PM »
I've found that the bigger the glass, the more you can pour into it and thus the longer it lasts.  Ice or no ice.

In my house, the cheap stuff tends to last and last.  The rare or hard to get stuff gets rationed.  When I'm pouring, I tend to go for the better stuff.
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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #478 on: December 09, 2015, 08:03:25 PM »
I find the more I spent on the hooch the slower I ingest it...YMMV


I find the same. The pricey stuff definitely sticks around longer.

Wish I could say the same. Once I open a bottle of whiskey it becomes extremely important for me to consume the contents within 2 or 3 weeks. 'Cause, you know, you want it to stay fresh. Right? ;)

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Re: Whiskey
« Reply #479 on: December 09, 2015, 08:54:06 PM »
Since it was brought up I use primarily is a 13 ounce glass I got as a set from Target:

http://www.target.com/p/threshold-short-glass-tumbler-set-of-4-13-oz/-/A-14604067

I make 6 cubes at a time in these:
http://www.amazon.com/Tovolo-King-Cube-Ice-Tray/dp/B00395FHRO

This is how it typically looks in my glass:
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