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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2013, 03:52:40 PM »
I think if you are using gravity all the way there is no need to have a pump. Only a hose to fill the HLT at the top.

In my case I use a hybrid gravity single-tier batch-sparge system.

The point is that I used to use a pump but found it kinda troublesome and messy. I can cool my wort just as well without a recirc or whirlpool. Less equipment and fittings to buy, clean, maintain and keep track of. To get all the connects, fittings and silicon hose I wanted was going to run me over $100!

I've pretty much eliminated everything from my brewery as non-essential and have streamlined my process. I use a minimum of equipment and do large boils (12+) on my kitchen stove. No tricked out system. Just a kettle with a ball-valve, a 70qt cooler, several large buckets, one piece of vinyl tubing and a single long handled spoon. A copper IC and frozen bottles to cool it all.

So I'd say one would have to consider the expense and impact a pump will have on the process, the system and the learning curve. Mistakes will be made. A flailing hose pumping hot wort is no walk in the park... And like many things in homebrewing just because everyone is doing it and it seems like a natural evolution to the process doesn't make buying a pump necessary.

euge, I keep meaning to try your frozen water bottle techinique. My IC works well enough and I can drop the temp the rest of the way with the fridge but I would love to save some water. I go through probably 20-30 gallons chilling a 10 gallon batch.

+1 to the frozen bottle technique. I've done it for years.  Like Euge I've tried to simplify my system over the years.  It's cheap, easy, and works.
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2013, 04:39:37 PM »
Chilling today, I got a Doppelbock down to 48F using tap water. It has been cold here.

50' immersion chiller, pump, and Jamil return whirlpool.
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2013, 06:09:42 PM »
Forklift!

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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2013, 06:12:18 PM »
Freakin awesome!
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2013, 06:16:52 PM »
Now THAT'S a damn gravity system !
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2013, 12:57:32 PM »
Do those hydraulics count as a pump?  BTW, I used the pump and the Jamil whirlpool and it worked great; I'm going to add a pre-chiller for when the wort gets under 80F, just to see how fast I can get it down in the 50's.  It only took about 35-40 minutes for 10 gallons of wort to go from boiling to 2 degrees above inlet temperature using 52F tap water.  Call me a convert.
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2013, 12:59:56 PM »
Chilling today, I got a Doppelbock down to 48F using tap water. It has been cold here.

50' immersion chiller, pump, and Jamil return whirlpool.

Same setup here, similar results.
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2013, 02:01:05 AM »
Pumps are awesome. I would brew without one if I had to, but I'll put up with the pump whine no problem. Check out this:

http://www.mrmalty.com/chiller.php

Can't do that without a pump!

This is interesting. They point out that with a counter-flow or plate chiller, you're leaving a large portion of the wort at near-boiling temp, while an immersion chiller takes care of the whole batch equally. That's never occurred to me. I'm rethinking my plan to buy a therminator.

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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2013, 05:28:11 AM »
I found pictures of the rig I was talking about with the boiling kettle hoist.








Also found a pic of my first gravity fed system :)
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2013, 07:38:40 AM »
I found pictures of the rig I was talking about with the boiling kettle hoist.
Also found a pic of my first gravity fed system :)


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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2013, 11:22:43 AM »
I found pictures of the rig I was talking about with the boiling kettle hoist.
Also found a pic of my first gravity fed system :)


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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2013, 11:49:04 AM »
Ha! I thought you guys might like that picture. I was 23yrs old and pretty short on resources and funds. I slapped that ghetto setup together in the garage of our rental house and brewed a good amount of beer with it.
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2013, 05:43:07 PM »
I think if you are using gravity all the way there is no need to have a pump. Only a hose to fill the HLT at the top.

In my case I use a hybrid gravity single-tier batch-sparge system.

The point is that I used to use a pump but found it kinda troublesome and messy. I can cool my wort just as well without a recirc or whirlpool. Less equipment and fittings to buy, clean, maintain and keep track of. To get all the connects, fittings and silicon hose I wanted was going to run me over $100!

I've pretty much eliminated everything from my brewery as non-essential and have streamlined my process. I use a minimum of equipment and do large boils (12+) on my kitchen stove. No tricked out system. Just a kettle with a ball-valve, a 70qt cooler, several large buckets, one piece of vinyl tubing and a single long handled spoon. A copper IC and frozen bottles to cool it all.

So I'd say one would have to consider the expense and impact a pump will have on the process, the system and the learning curve. Mistakes will be made. A flailing hose pumping hot wort is no walk in the park... And like many things in homebrewing just because everyone is doing it and it seems like a natural evolution to the process doesn't make buying a pump necessary.

The silicone hose is nice stuff. It doesn't discolor or collapse when it gets hot. It doesn't get a memory so it's easy to coil. And you don't need hose clamps on the barbs because it seals perfectly yet pulls off so easily.
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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2013, 08:02:53 AM »
I use gravity,  but I tell people that I use a "Newton Pump."

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Re: All grain brewing - pump or no pump?
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2013, 10:00:14 AM »
I use a pump to reduce lifting and to recirculate with a WIC during chilling.  Once I solved the priming challenge and got my process dialed-in, the pump ends up being a net time-saver for me. 
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