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34/70
« on: December 15, 2013, 04:04:21 PM »
My first time using dry lager yeast.  I'm trying to decide if I should pitch a second sachet since I sprinkled in and did not rehydrate.  Thoughts?  One or two?
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Re: 34/70
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2013, 04:47:39 PM »
My first time using dry lager yeast.  I'm trying to decide if I should pitch a second sachet since I sprinkled in and did not rehydrate.  Thoughts?  One or two?

I would proceed with your plan. What I've heard is that you loose ~50% of the cells when pitching dry yeast without rehydrating.  I made a split batch IPA/IPL a few weeks back, 6 gallons each.  I rehydrated 1.5 packages of 34/70 for one carboy, us-05 for the other.  They both took off within 12 hours and the beers seemed nice and clean when sampled. 
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Re: 34/70
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2013, 05:17:05 PM »
I'm doing a split batch next time.  That's a good idea!

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Re: 34/70
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 05:25:35 PM »
OK, second sachet sprinkled in. I feel better now.... :)
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Re: 34/70
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2013, 05:54:29 PM »
Don't freak out at this, but. Hydrate next time. If the yeast death rate is true, you have one package healthy yeast in there. But you also have one package of dead. When the dead ones rupture and spill their nastiness... not saying it will ruin it. But it can't be good for it either. Something to consider next time.

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Re: 34/70
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 06:29:10 PM »
Don't freak out at this, but. Hydrate next time. If the yeast death rate is true, you have one package healthy yeast in there. But you also have one package of dead. When the dead ones rupture and spill their nastiness... not saying it will ruin it. But it can't be good for it either. Something to consider next time.

I usually rehydrate but just didn't have time.  That's why I pitched a second sachet.  I should have at least one full sachet in there now which is fine.  The dead cells are now lunch for the live ones.  No worries. 

EDIT: I've used dry ale yeast a lot, this is my first go with dry lager yeast.  Next time I'll rehydrate and spend the time though.  I don't like guessing games with my beer....
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Re: 34/70
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2013, 07:11:20 PM »
Cool. Coincidence but I was just listening to Palmer talk about it in a podcast. Have fun

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Re: 34/70
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2013, 05:15:31 AM »
Cool. Coincidence but I was just listening to Palmer talk about it in a podcast. Have fun

Is it online? Can you send me a link to it? 

Edit:  Can always learn something new....

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Re: 34/70
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2013, 07:25:59 AM »
I decided it's not worth it to use dry yeast, unless brewing spontaneously. I'd rather have a nice active starter ready to pitch than deal with dry yeast. The cost gap is closing as well. But I still keep some 34/70 and US-05 in the fridge, just in case. But, for a lager, I'd probably rehydrate to maximize the yeast going in.
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Re: 34/70
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2013, 07:49:58 AM »
One sachet of 34/70 is not enough for a 5 gallon batch per the Mr. malty calculator.  I have always used two when I used 34/70.  In my experience though, the liquid yeast is still better and cheaper in the long run.
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Re: 34/70
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2013, 08:03:46 AM »
Agreed to both above.  It was a spontaneous brew and I had two packets.  I'm usually not one to take shortcuts but had a moment of weakness and sprinkled instead of rehydrating. 

I'm brewing 10G of lager this weekend and have my washed 860 and 2633 in line.  That meant nothing I could repitch and no time to make a starter.

I have already have some activity after a 16 hour lag so I not worried about it anymore.

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Re: 34/70
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2013, 09:02:29 AM »
I am drinking an Alt right now that I used 34/70. Tastes excellent! I will sprinkel 1 pack without rehydration without any fear. I have also fermented this yeast at 66 degrees. To my knowledge people on this site have said that this is the same strain as WLP830. If this is true why buy the liquid?

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Re: 34/70
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2013, 10:04:00 AM »
I am drinking an Alt right now that I used 34/70. Tastes excellent! I will sprinkel 1 pack without rehydration without any fear. I have also fermented this yeast at 66 degrees. To my knowledge people on this site have said that this is the same strain as WLP830. If this is true why buy the liquid?

Yes.  830=2124=34/70.
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Re: 34/70
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2013, 12:44:08 PM »
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