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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2013, 05:01:10 PM »
What about laying the keg on it's side to expose more surface area to the CO2?

That might work.
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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2013, 05:24:26 PM »
Seems like a geometry thing. Wouldn't the surface area be the same no matter what angle it was at, unless it was only half full?

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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2013, 05:31:16 PM »
Negative. The cool thing about liquid is that it takes the shape of the vessel it fills. Take a bottle of water and take a drink out of it. This will give you the head space to mimic a full keg. Take notice of the surface area... Now turn it on its side and the surface area is at least tripled.
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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2013, 05:35:39 PM »
Seems like a geometry thing. Wouldn't the surface area be the same no matter what angle it was at, unless it was only half full?

Volume, yes - surface area, no
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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2013, 05:38:25 PM »
Makes sense but the closer to full the less a difference, yes?

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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2013, 05:42:04 PM »
What about laying the keg on it's side to expose more surface area to the CO2?

That might work.

yep - i always carb kegs on their side
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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2013, 05:57:18 PM »
I do 40psi for 36 hours, testing it at 24 and 30 hours just to be sure it's not over carbonated.


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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2013, 08:28:31 PM »
What is the safety rating for these ball-lock kegs?  What should be considered the 'Don't go past this PSI' level?
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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2013, 08:34:30 PM »
It's a bunch, but only reliable if you have recently had them tested to that. But the relief should blow before they get that high.

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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2013, 08:36:17 PM »
What is the safety rating for these ball-lock kegs?  What should be considered the 'Don't go past this PSI' level?

mine say 130PSI - however you really have no need to ever get near that PSI. 30-40 will do it.
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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2013, 09:42:48 PM »
This is one of those rare things I disagree with Denny about. It definitely carbs faster going through bottom post, especially if you use a higher pressure and/or shake. Also, the more head space the faster the beer will carbonate.

Nothing beats a diffusion stone though. I can carbonate a 30 bbl batch of beer in a few hours. They sell them for corny kegs. You could probably carb 5 gallons in less than 30 minutes with one.

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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2013, 03:29:01 AM »
This is one of those rare things I disagree with Denny about. It definitely carbs faster going through bottom post, especially if you use a higher pressure and/or shake. Also, the more head space the faster the beer will carbonate.

Nothing beats a diffusion stone though. I can carbonate a 30 bbl batch of beer in a few hours. They sell them for corny kegs. You could probably carb 5 gallons in less than 30 minutes with one.

so your surface area increases when you put keg on side and roll it. having it go thru bottom post or not makes no difference i think.....its a simple formula of pressure, surface area, and temp.
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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2013, 12:10:43 PM »
This is one of those rare things I disagree with Denny about. It definitely carbs faster going through bottom post, especially if you use a higher pressure and/or shake. Also, the more head space the faster the beer will carbonate.

Nothing beats a diffusion stone though. I can carbonate a 30 bbl batch of beer in a few hours. They sell them for corny kegs. You could probably carb 5 gallons in less than 30 minutes with one.

so your surface area increases when you put keg on side and roll it. having it go thru bottom post or not makes no difference i think.....its a simple formula of pressure, surface area, and temp.

Going through bottom port at a higher pressure does make a difference IME.

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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2013, 02:23:41 PM »
This is one of those rare things I disagree with Denny about. It definitely carbs faster going through bottom post, especially if you use a higher pressure and/or shake. Also, the more head space the faster the beer will carbonate.

Nothing beats a diffusion stone though. I can carbonate a 30 bbl batch of beer in a few hours. They sell them for corny kegs. You could probably carb 5 gallons in less than 30 minutes with one.

so your surface area increases when you put keg on side and roll it. having it go thru bottom post or not makes no difference i think.....its a simple formula of pressure, surface area, and temp.

Going through bottom port at a higher pressure does make a difference IME.

question: with the carb stone (.2 micron?) how do you go about doing that in the corny - is it open or are you attaching the stone and tubing to co2 inlet on keg?
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Re: Faster Carbonation Idea
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2013, 03:42:18 PM »
The carb stones for cornies that I have seen attach to the lid and have a welded QDC on lid that you can attach gas to. There are probably other options as well.