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First Decoction Results
« on: February 22, 2010, 02:17:37 PM »
Got my first decoction done yesterday.  Vienna Lager.

I infused to 133F rested for 10 minutes and did my decoction which was kind of sloppy until I got used to skimming thick mash out.  Lost about 8 degrees in the process.  I added it back in (along with .5 gals boiling water) and I was off by 8 degrees.  Imagine that.

I took a guess and eyeballed another 1.5 gals, got it boiling and added it back to hit 152.5.  Pretty good.

Other than a 20 min rest at 144 things went well.  Got a nice light amber color from the decoctions and and extra 5% efficiency.

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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2010, 03:05:21 PM »
way to go man!

that's something I've never tried.  I will one day, I just have to work up the nerve to put a batch at risk!
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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 06:03:36 PM »
Nice!

I am going to decoct a Dusseldorf Alt this weekend. I've done it before and it can be a challenge to hit your temps. But it should be fun.

To be on the safe side you can keep a separate pot of near boiling water handy just in case you miss a temp or two.
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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 06:13:39 PM »
Yeah.  I'm pretty excited.  I could taste more complexity in the wort than I'm used too although it was all vienna and only 6oz of carapils for 5.75 gal.  I've haven't tried Vienna before so that may be it.

I'm definitely glad I didn't use any caramel amlt.  It has a good color.

I do expect it to be thinner because of the long p-rest and small beta rest but we'll see.

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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 06:36:05 PM »
Other than a 20 min rest at 144 things went well.

that's also called a beta-amylase rest. You could have also rested there for 30-45 min, depending on desired attenuation, and then decocted or infused to 160F for an a-amylase rest.

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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 06:38:30 PM »
way to go man!

that's something I've never tried.  I will one day, I just have to work up the nerve to put a batch at risk!

Dont let that scare you , decoctions are very forgiving
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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2010, 06:48:17 PM »
Hey Kai and babalu...what decoction schedule do you like to use...temps and times?
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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2010, 06:58:42 PM »
Hey Kai and babalu...what decoction schedule do you like to use...temps and times?

I generally use a single decoction to get to sacch rest temps
I'll do infusion for a protein rest at around 130 and then another infusion to get to mash out (if done)

Sometimes I'll use decoction to get to mash out but thats usually when I push my tun to the limit and I have been trying to stop that lately.

My Hefe and Dunkelweizens both are done with decoction as is anything I use alot of Munich in.

Have fun with them is one thing I can tell you
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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2010, 09:29:01 PM »
Hey Kai and babalu...what decoction schedule do you like to use...temps and times?

It depends.
You could do something like this:
122F for 20 min
143F for 20 min
160F for 20 min
Mash Out

That is 20 min rest. It does not count the decoction time that can be from 15 to 30 min boil (+ bring it to boil) depending how much "browning" reaction you want to have.
You could also do sach rest when doing decoction (another 10 min).

Mash Schedule
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                     Step   Rest   Start   Stop  Heat     Infuse   Infuse  Infuse
Step Name            Time   Time   Temp    Temp  Type     Temp     Amount  Ratio
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Protein Rest           5     20    131     131   Infuse   142       20.88   1.50
Maltose Rest           5     30    145     143   Direct   ---     -------   ----
Alpha Rest            25     30    158     158   Decoc    208        6.03   1.00 (Decoc Thickness)
Mash Out               5     10    170     170   Direct   ---     -------   ----

As you can see I am doing only one decoction in here.
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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2010, 08:41:22 AM »
Other than a 20 min rest at 144 things went well.

that's also called a beta-amylase rest. You could have also rested there for 30-45 min, depending on desired attenuation, and then decocted or infused to 160F for an a-amylase rest.

Kai

How long do you usually let it rest for the a-amylase?

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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2010, 10:01:14 AM »
Anywhere from 20 to 60 min.

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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2010, 07:13:28 PM »
way to go man!

that's something I've never tried.  I will one day, I just have to work up the nerve to put a batch at risk!

Dont let that scare you , decoctions are very forgiving
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Re: First Decoction Results
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 01:52:51 PM »
way to go man!

that's something I've never tried.  I will one day, I just have to work up the nerve to put a batch at risk!

Since you have the whole water thing down I'd say go for it. One thing about decoction mashing is that you REALLY need to be careful about ph. Even more than normal. :) You still have a fairly wide range as in a single infusion, but the damaging effects of being out of that range(particularly being too high) are much more significant when doing a decoction. Learned that one the hard way. ;D

FWIW, that BL clone I sent you was a double decoction.  8)