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What is your prefered method

Bottle Conditioning
8 (33.3%)
Forced Carbonation
12 (50%)
Depends on style
4 (16.7%)

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With NHC coming up and it being my only 3rd comp entry ever. I am trying to get a feel for what other peoples views on the subject are.
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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 05:59:59 PM »
The beers I am entering deserve to be bottle conditioned.

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 06:06:08 PM »
The beers I am entering deserve to be bottle conditioned.

Can you explain this a little more? What beer styles are you planning on entering?

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2014, 07:16:33 PM »
Certain beers I always bottle condition. Saisons over 6%, big Belgians, imperial stout, barleywine, and anything else I don't think I need kegs of.

I know there is plenty of evidence to the contrary, I think bottle conditions adds something to beers.

This time I am entering a saison and maybe an imperial stout.

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2014, 07:38:29 PM »
I always force carbonate my entries. Mostly because it's easiest for me to do it that way. I used to bottle condition my comp entries but I often got hit on appearance and flavor from suspended yeast. Remember you never know what kind of handling your bottles will receive...
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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2014, 07:53:40 PM »

I always force carbonate my entries. Mostly because it's easiest for me to do it that way. I used to bottle condition my comp entries but I often got hit on appearance and flavor from suspended yeast. Remember you never know what kind of handling your bottles will receive...

In my opinion, those were crappy judges.

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2014, 08:32:39 PM »
Or crappy handling pouring before the judge got it. I'm just a rookie but I imagine it's difficult to tell a glass that was poured sloppy vs the beer just being turbid

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2014, 08:39:46 PM »
Times I have judged, the other judge and I opened and poured all the beers.

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2014, 08:42:06 PM »

I always force carbonate my entries. Mostly because it's easiest for me to do it that way. I used to bottle condition my comp entries but I often got hit on appearance and flavor from suspended yeast. Remember you never know what kind of handling your bottles will receive...

In my opinion, those were crappy judges.
No, those were crappy stewards. Give me a cloudy lager and its gonna get scored as a cloudy lager. Unless I pour, I judge on what I get.

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2014, 08:45:58 PM »
A judge should check the bottle for sediment if they get a cloudy beer that shouldn't be. The real issue is the flavor. Drinking yeast in the beer does effect the flavor. A judge could give you leeway on the appearance but might now be able to separate out the yeast flavors from the beer.

I guess what I'm getting at is there is a risk here. Personally I do like bottle conditioned beer more. But it has to be poured and handled correctly.
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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2014, 08:48:16 PM »
Times I have judged, the other judge and I opened and poured all the beers.

Ya if that's the case and it's not all shook up, you're right. I would think a judge should know not to dump the dregs into the cup then hammer the brewer for turbidity.

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2014, 05:50:10 AM »
Times I have judged, the other judge and I opened and poured all the beers.

Ya if that's the case and it's not all shook up, you're right. I would think a judge should know not to dump the dregs into the cup then hammer the brewer for turbidity.

I always look for sediment first, but more importantly I pour the first beer first as a demo so that the flight attendant knows how to pour the rest of the flight.
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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2014, 07:06:07 AM »

I always force carbonate my entries. Mostly because it's easiest for me to do it that way. I used to bottle condition my comp entries but I often got hit on appearance and flavor from suspended yeast. Remember you never know what kind of handling your bottles will receive...

In my opinion, those were crappy judges.

I've found it to be more of a problem in mini-BOS on the re-pour.  In that case it's not that the judge is bad, but just that the beer doesn't present the same.  It's hard to take another judge's word that "this beer was way better earlier" when what is in front of you is anything but impressive.

on a side note, I'll reiterate that going to two bottles for the first round of NHC last year is the best change that has been made in years.  Getting a fresh second bottle was awesome.

to the OP, I prefer to force carb if possible, but the longer/warmer the wait between when the beer is filled and when it is judged is, the more my bottle conditioned beers tend to dominate.  It's hard to get all that O2 out of there filling off the keg.

that said though, I believe timing your brewing so that your beers are coming into peak form for a certain competition makes a bigger difference than packaging.

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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2014, 06:41:52 AM »
2 NHC medals here. One was bottle conditioned, one was not. Hope this helps.  ;D
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Re: Bottle conditioning vs. forced carbonation for home brew competitions
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2014, 07:11:43 AM »

I always force carbonate my entries. Mostly because it's easiest for me to do it that way. I used to bottle condition my comp entries but I often got hit on appearance and flavor from suspended yeast. Remember you never know what kind of handling your bottles will receive...

In my opinion, those were crappy judges.

that said though, I believe timing your brewing so that your beers are coming into peak form for a certain competition makes a bigger difference than packaging.

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