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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2014, 04:20:16 PM »
Sounds like fun!
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2014, 08:02:12 PM »
'Nuff said
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2014, 08:02:28 PM »
Thanks everyone
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2014, 08:04:50 PM »
Lesson learned, but agreed - just make more!
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2014, 07:09:43 AM »
I had a three-piece air lock backflow into the fermenter once. Only a few ounces but I could definitely taste it and the beer ended up a bit hazy compared to previous bright versions. Now I only use S type air locks when I'm crashing.

I get that sometimes!

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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2014, 07:16:56 AM »
Well, after many hours of contemplation and tears, I have decided to let my sink enjoy the fruit of my spoils.  It is bittersweet; ZD clone, you will be missed.  You will be missed dearly, my unconsumed friend.  Cheers and tears.

C A U T I O N
Let all those who read this tremble, take heed!!! REMOVE THUS BLOW OFF TUBE before thy crash with coldness.  Be swift in one's actions to hide thy refractometer when thusly said wort morphs into the golden goodness of the glorious adult beverage of one said beer.  Join me and raise a glass, my friends. Shed a tear and move on to the next adventure, there is always another brew day upon the horizon.  Cheers!!
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2014, 08:31:53 AM »
CRASH!
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2014, 09:27:15 AM »
this is NOT a no rinse product according to the 5 Star website. I would NOT drink the beer.

" SAFETY
 
DANGER: Corrosive to skin and eye, contains Phosphoric Acid. Harmful if swallowed. Do not
get in eyes, on skin or on clothing. Wear protective goggles and clothing when using. Avoid
contamination of food. DO NOT MIX SANICLEAN with chlorinated cleaners as chlorine gas
will result. See Label for more precautionary information. Contains Phosphoric Acid. A known
corrosive.
 
FIRST AID:
For Eyes: Hold eyes open and rinse slowly and gently with water for 15-20 minutes. Remove
contact lenses, if present, after the first five minutes. Then continue rinsing. Call Poison
Control Center or doctor for treatment advice.
If Swallowed: Call Poison Control Center or doctor immediately for treatment advice. Have
person sip on a glass of water if able to swallow. Do not induce vomiting unless told to do so
by the Poison Control doctor. Do not give anything to an unconscious person.
If on Skin or Clothing: Take off contaminated clothing. Rinse skin immediately with plenty of
water for 15-20 minutes. Call Poison Control Center for treatment advice.
If Inhaled: Move person to fresh air. If person is not breathing call 911 or an ambulance, then
give artificial respiration, preferably mouth-to-mouth if possible. Call a Poison Control Center
or doctor for treatment.
NOTE TO PHYSICIAN: Probable mucosal damage may contraindicate the use of gastric
lavage. Measure against circulatory shock, respiratory depression and convulsion may be
needed. "

I'm pretty sure that applies to undiluted StarSan or Saniclean.  When it's diluted to working strength it's a different story.
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2014, 09:28:23 AM »
this is NOT a no rinse product according to the 5 Star website. I would NOT drink the beer.

" SAFETY
 
DANGER: Corrosive to skin and eye, contains Phosphoric Acid. Harmful if swallowed. Do not
get in eyes, on skin or on clothing. Wear protective goggles and clothing when using. Avoid
contamination of food. DO NOT MIX SANICLEAN with chlorinated cleaners as chlorine gas
will result. See Label for more precautionary information. Contains Phosphoric Acid. A known
corrosive.
 
FIRST AID:
For Eyes: Hold eyes open and rinse slowly and gently with water for 15-20 minutes. Remove
contact lenses, if present, after the first five minutes. Then continue rinsing. Call Poison
Control Center or doctor for treatment advice.
If Swallowed: Call Poison Control Center or doctor immediately for treatment advice. Have
person sip on a glass of water if able to swallow. Do not induce vomiting unless told to do so
by the Poison Control doctor. Do not give anything to an unconscious person.
If on Skin or Clothing: Take off contaminated clothing. Rinse skin immediately with plenty of
water for 15-20 minutes. Call Poison Control Center for treatment advice.
If Inhaled: Move person to fresh air. If person is not breathing call 911 or an ambulance, then
give artificial respiration, preferably mouth-to-mouth if possible. Call a Poison Control Center
or doctor for treatment.
NOTE TO PHYSICIAN: Probable mucosal damage may contraindicate the use of gastric
lavage. Measure against circulatory shock, respiratory depression and convulsion may be
needed. "

I'm pretty sure that applies to undiluted StarSan or Saniclean.  When it's diluted to working strength it's a different story.

I suspect you are correct, but it also mentions elsewhere in the document that you should rinse with potable water AFTER using saniclean
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2014, 09:31:31 AM »
According to this http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/saniclean.html, no rinse is required at the concentration we use.  I'll see if I can find something more definitive.

ETA:  just emailed Five Star to ask them.  We can guess til we're blue in the face, but they know!
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2014, 09:39:16 AM »
According to this http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/saniclean.html, no rinse is required at the concentration we use.  I'll see if I can find something more definitive.

ETA:  just emailed Five Star to ask them.  We can guess til we're blue in the face, but they know!

good call. for reference, here is the document I was quoteing:

http://www.fivestarchemicals.com/wp-content/uploads/SanicleanTech1.pdf

under general use directions is where they specify a potable water rinse after use.
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2014, 09:42:35 AM »
According to this http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/saniclean.html, no rinse is required at the concentration we use.  I'll see if I can find something more definitive.

ETA:  just emailed Five Star to ask them.  We can guess til we're blue in the face, but they know!

good call. for reference, here is the document I was quoteing:

http://www.fivestarchemicals.com/wp-content/uploads/SanicleanTech1.pdf

under general use directions is where they specify a potable water rinse after use.

Saw that.  But if you look at the recommended concentration it's about twice what we usually use.
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2014, 10:01:20 AM »
And the word from Five Star.....

"When used properly saniclean is a no rinse final application.  To test its effectiveness you can test the PH as long as it’s 3.5 or below it will do as it’s intended.  When saniclean is used at a higher than recommended rate it will go over 200 PPM and that is when it needs to be rinsed with potable water."

So, as long as it's mixed properly, it's no different than StarSan.
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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2014, 10:10:48 AM »
And the word from Five Star.....

"When used properly saniclean is a no rinse final application.  To test its effectiveness you can test the PH as long as it’s 3.5 or below it will do as it’s intended.  When saniclean is used at a higher than recommended rate it will go over 200 PPM and that is when it needs to be rinsed with potable water."

So, as long as it's mixed properly, it's no different than StarSan.

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Re: Cold crash fail! One ruined beer! One dumb home brewer?
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2014, 10:22:46 AM »

Thank you for your time and efforts, they are much appreciated!!

You're very welcome...it's what I do!  I'm all about trying to make sure homebrewers have accurate info and myths get debunked.
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