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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2014, 11:18:39 AM »
since it's pretty well dark all of the time in the freezer

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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2014, 11:20:11 AM »
Just saying "if I had to". Plus, I've been moving towards less hoppy beers lately.

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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2014, 11:28:20 AM »
I've been planning an all nelson saison. Dialing in some changes using sterling which is my favorite saison hop.
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2014, 12:34:20 PM »
Glass is a perfect O2 barrier, but most vacuum pumps do not create a perfect vacuum. I suspect that a FoodSaver is not even close to perfect.

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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2014, 12:44:31 PM »
Glass is a perfect O2 barrier, but most vacuum pumps do not create a perfect vacuum. I suspect that a FoodSaver is not even close to perfect.

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I also wonder about O2 ingress through the lid seal, but those are designed to preserve food, so probably are good.
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2014, 12:50:21 PM »

Glass is a perfect O2 barrier, but most vacuum pumps do not create a perfect vacuum. I suspect that a FoodSaver is not even close to perfect.

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I also wonder about O2 ingress through the lid seal, but those are designed to preserve food, so probably are good.

But when preserving food in a hot process, the seal melts and forms to the jar. That is why lids are single use.  I don't think using the jars is a bad idea, but I do think bags are better.
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2014, 12:51:22 PM »
Glass is a perfect O2 barrier, but most vacuum pumps do not create a perfect vacuum. I suspect that a FoodSaver is not even close to perfect.

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agreed, but is it any better or worse than a bag?

jeff - the lids are on tighter than when I have used the in actual canning.  i don't think you will get O2 in via the lid, that is for sure.
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2014, 12:54:57 PM »
Glass is a perfect O2 barrier, but most vacuum pumps do not create a perfect vacuum. I suspect that a FoodSaver is not even close to perfect.

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agreed, but is it any better or worse than a bag?

jeff - the lids are on tighter than when I have used the in actual canning.  i don't think you will get O2 in via the lid, that is for sure.

Well, not sure. But bags provide the same quality vacuum with a smaller volume of air. As long as they are oxygen barriers, bags would be better.
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2014, 12:57:35 PM »
Glass is a perfect O2 barrier, but most vacuum pumps do not create a perfect vacuum. I suspect that a FoodSaver is not even close to perfect.

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agreed, but is it any better or worse than a bag?

jeff - the lids are on tighter than when I have used the in actual canning.  i don't think you will get O2 in via the lid, that is for sure.
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2014, 01:30:01 PM »
since it's pretty well dark all of the time in the freezer

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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2014, 06:49:46 PM »
My vote is for bags.  I buy them in bulk for very cheap and will get multiple seals out of them assuming I don't have a particular powdery hop that coats the inside of the bag.  I just can't believe you get the same amount of air out of the jar as you do from the bags.  I just see headspace in the jar and I know it's not a perfect vacuum and there must be o2 present.
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2014, 11:51:46 PM »
Here's an experimental for someone. Half and peel an avocado. Vacuum seal one half in a jar, vacuum seal the oher half in a food saver bag. Put both in the fridge. The first one to turn brown looses.
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2014, 12:09:19 AM »

Here's an experimental for someone. Half and peel an avocado. Vacuum seal one half in a jar, vacuum seal the oher half in a food saver bag. Put both in the fridge. The first one to turn brown looses.

Good idea, but a waste of an avocado. ;)

How about an apple?
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2014, 01:04:01 AM »
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Re: Pellet Hops - Vacuum Sealed bag or jar?
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2014, 01:05:37 AM »
I'm kidding, don't hate me. Some of my best friends have been cats