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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2014, 11:10:48 AM »
I agree, but how do you force a private company to do something they don't want to?

I shipped my glass yesterday. Next year I think I'll just make a road trip and deliver it myself. Though delivering round two in person may not be practical, probably not needed either though... ;-)

Demonstrate that they're losing money.

The AHA tried to convince several shipping companies of that.  They all said that there wasn't enough money in it to make it worth their while.  That may seem absurd to us, but they have a different idea of "worth it".
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2014, 11:38:08 AM »
In my experience UPS seems to treat this as a don't ask don't tell type of situation.  I ship to competitions all the time, I pay online and drop off at the UPS service center and have never been asked about the contents.

Last year I got the dreaded email from UPS saying that my package had been damaged and was being returned.  When it arrived back to me I noticed there was one bottle missing that had obviously broken.  What was interesting was they completely repackaged the remaining bottles, bagged them and placed them in a new box.  They also included some packaging guidelines that suggested using enough packing material to keep the bottles at least 2 inches apart.  It was obviously beer in the bottles but they did not mention that or provide any type of scolding that you might expect for violating their policy.

I'm thinking they have the policy in place simply to limit their liability exposure in case alcohol was shipped to a minor.

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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2014, 05:20:26 PM »

I agree, but how do you force a private company to do something they don't want to?

I shipped my glass yesterday. Next year I think I'll just make a road trip and deliver it myself. Though delivering round two in person may not be practical, probably not needed either though... ;-)

Demonstrate that they're losing money.

The AHA tried to convince several shipping companies of that.  They all said that there wasn't enough money in it to make it worth their while.  That may seem absurd to us, but they have a different idea of "worth it".
is this because of the expense of the assumed liability or something else because I'm pretty sure that they make money on everything they ship regardless of one large account or one persons package. I know that every package I drop off I get a really nice thank you and a smile to boot!
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2014, 05:31:05 PM »

I agree, but how do you force a private company to do something they don't want to?

I shipped my glass yesterday. Next year I think I'll just make a road trip and deliver it myself. Though delivering round two in person may not be practical, probably not needed either though... ;-)

Demonstrate that they're losing money.

The AHA tried to convince several shipping companies of that.  They all said that there wasn't enough money in it to make it worth their while.  That may seem absurd to us, but they have a different idea of "worth it".
is this because of the expense of the assumed liability or something else because I'm pretty sure that they make money on everything they ship regardless of one large account or one persons package. I know that every package I drop off I get a really nice thank you and a smile to boot!

I'm wondering the same thing. It would be interesting to know what it is specifically that makes the delivery of homebrew not "worth their while". If that's the case why do any individual shipments? Seems to me that liability could reasonably be placed on the sender if the concern is underage receipt. What about an exemption for non-commercial shipment?  Sorry, just thinking out the keyboard while sampling BDSA. Probably not the best path to a good solution.
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2014, 05:44:34 PM »
I think a large part of it is the liability. Various laws, interstate transport, delivery to minors, would the people that accept the package need to be 18 or 21, must be some of their concerns. My guess is it is easier to not deal with it and only work with registered shippers.

Maybe Homebrew shops can be a bridge between homebrewers and comps.

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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2014, 06:01:32 PM »
It must be the assumed liability of the shipper in the event a minor accepts the package and well..the litigious society we live in would add to the overhead of insurance for it.
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2014, 08:57:11 AM »

is this because of the expense of the assumed liability or something else because I'm pretty sure that they make money on everything they ship regardless of one large account or one persons package. I know that every package I drop off I get a really nice thank you and a smile to boot!

My understanding is that there simply aren't enough homebrewers to make it worth their while to change what they're doing now.  Beyond that, I know nothing.
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2014, 12:42:59 PM »
My first round entries were received at the shipping location today via UPS.

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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2014, 01:46:17 PM »
I'm driving a bunch of entires for myself and others to the Chicago and Minneapolis locations this weekend... Chicago ones should be dropped off Friday and MN ones Sat. Planned the trip to MN so we could enter Chicago as primary and MN as secondary so either way we would be dropping them off :D
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2014, 01:52:52 PM »
A guy in our club is hauling entries to Zanesville this weekend. He has family there.

We hauled club entries, and for some other brewers to Indy when first round was there. I have family there.
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2014, 01:54:05 PM »
A guy in our club is hauling entries to Zanesville this weekend. He has family there.

We hauled club entries, and for some other brewers to Indy when first round was there. I have family there.
Yeah I remember... that was the year I was screwed and my entries were deleted lol.
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2014, 01:55:42 PM »
I figure handling wise this should be a good year for us Michiganders.  Can drive to round 1 drop offs and round 2.  No shipping = happy beer lol.  I just wish I had better beers ready right now :-/
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2014, 03:32:40 PM »
Chicago drop off is in Aurora.  So I'm shipping mine anyway.

They went out by UPS this morning.  Saves me a two hour scenic expressway round trip.
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2014, 03:56:42 PM »
UPS took mine today... You're all going down!  :P
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Re: NHC shipping issues
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2014, 06:20:47 PM »
A guy in our club is hauling entries to Zanesville this weekend. He has family there.

We hauled club entries, and for some other brewers to Indy when first round was there. I have family there.
Yeah I remember... that was the year I was screwed and my entries were deleted lol.

Can you explain that? Can't remember. Konrad and Phil did well if IIRC.
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