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Offline phil1953

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Cinchona
« on: March 08, 2014, 09:37:51 pm »
Any reccomendations for the addition of Cinchona bark. I'm thinking about a Saison.

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Re: Cinchona
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2014, 11:09:48 pm »
Hmm. Combined with some juniper and maybe cucumber? gin and tonic saison?

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I'd be tempted to figure out a way to add at packaging or even serving the first time to experiment with amounts.
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Re: Cinchona
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 07:15:55 am »
Infused simple syrup?
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Re: Cinchona
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 10:23:47 am »
I'd just look at how it's used for other purposes. From my extremely brief googling it looks like the normal process is to cold steep it like you would coffee beans.
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Re: Cinchona
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2014, 01:42:34 pm »
Since it is the source of Quinine and that is the basis of bittering evaluation, I suggest that this is a component that should be used with great care! The infusion idea seems sound.  It would ultimately be a substitute for hop bittering.
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Re: Cinchona
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2014, 02:18:43 pm »
I'd be tempted to figure out a way to add at packaging or even serving the first time to experiment with amounts.
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If you don't already have the bark I suggest getting quinine extract which is just extract of chinchona bark. I got some last summer because I was sick of HFCS in tonic water and wanted to make my own less sweet tonic for G&T's. Maybe you could get a similar style commercial beer and add a drop to get a sense of the taste. And seriously, a drop. Its a strong taste and getting it right will be tricky. If you have the bark you could make your own tincture and try something similar.
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Re: Cinchona
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2014, 09:51:40 pm »
Maybe try to replicate the flavors in a gin & tonic using other ingredients. I'm thinking something like a very dry IPA. I'd target just 15-20 IBU's from a FWH since the chinchona is going to add a fair amount of bitterness. You just want enough IBU's for preservative purposes. Then use big flameout and dry hop additions from Simcoe or Chinook (juniper/pine), Motueka (lemongrass/lime zest) and maybe some Sorachi Ace for more herbal/lemon.

Off the top of my head:

~1.065 OG
85% 2-row
5% Crystal-20
10% table sugar

20 IBU Simcoe FWH
2 oz Chinook @flameout
2 oz Motueka @flameout
1 oz Simcoe dry-hop
2 oz Motueka dry-hop
1 oz Sorachi Ace dry-hop

WLP001/WY1056/US-05 or similar

Dose with chinchona tincture to taste prior to bottling
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Re: Cinchona
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2014, 07:01:48 pm »
Since it is the source of Quinine and that is the basis of bittering evaluation, I suggest that this is a component that should be used with great care! The infusion idea seems sound.  It would ultimately be a substitute for hop bittering.

I make a yarrow ale every summer and don't use any bittering hops or very low ibu for the same reason.
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