[Stevie]

Ahhhh. Brewery A forced to bend its principles at last... You know I can't see why both of those styles couldn't be emulated by using lager yeast. Yeah here is our IPA (hopfen-weisse) and our Dry Stout (ultra dark lager). But I see the point of the whole situation.

New and younger owners

[blatz]

If a proper pitch of yeast without a started costs us about $15, imagine what it costs somebody with a 30bbl system.

15bbl pitchable ~ $250.  i don't know about it taking several batches to recoup that cost, but its certainly expensive enough to make trading attractive, and repitching A LOT, a must.

[morticaixavier]

Ahhhh. Brewery A forced to bend its principles at last... You know I can't see why both of those styles couldn't be emulated by using lager yeast. Yeah here is our IPA (hopfen-weisse) and our Dry Stout (ultra dark lager). But I see the point of the whole situation.

New and younger owners

who have begun to use their lager yeast (WLP German Lager yeast) for their ales as it happens.

[hopfenundmalz]

I've never thought that. Though many breweries have a 'house character' that is probably a combination of house yeast and some habitual recipe choices.

Maybe that's it. I can't even drink any SA without getting irritated. They have a lot of "different" beers that taste a lot the same to me. I just avoid it altogether now.

It's probably true at least in part. A large brewery like that has contracts on malt, hops, and a house yeast. So it's far easier to use those for new recipes than get new maltsters. Sometimes they are sketchy about new yeast varieties due to contamination concerns. For instance, Ommegang uses one yeast for every beer they make. Any differences are from spicing.

When you have silos full of a base NA 2row, and one crystal malt, you tend to build on those.

[micsager]

So the term "all" is used loosely by these folks? I'm not sure I understand the why of it.

Brewery A was a traditional German lager brewery (moving away from that recently) with a restaurant attached. Must have an IPA and Stout on tap at the restaurant so they brewed those infrequently on their smaller (14bbl?) system and "borrowed" yeast. Those beers were restaurant only with some keg sales. Brewery B brews ales primarily, with the occasional lager, dunkel or maibock. Win-win.

If a proper pitch of yeast without a started costs us about $15, imagine what it costs somebody with a 30bbl system.

Are you really paying $7.50 a smack pack?  Wow, I guess it's good to live close to Portland. My LHBS's retail price is $5.50. 

[Stevie]

Are you really paying $7.50 a smack pack?  Wow, I guess it's good to live close to Portland. My LHBS's retail price is $5.50.

Yep -- http://www.homebrewhq.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=1378 -or- https://www.finevinewines.com/Z_ProdListMain.asp


Don't even get me started on Malt prices out here. All I will say is it would take a lot of sacks to pay for a grain mill.

Used to pay ~5.99 in Northern CA.

[Jimmy K]

So the term "all" is used loosely by these folks? I'm not sure I understand the why of it.

Brewery A was a traditional German lager brewery (moving away from that recently) with a restaurant attached. Must have an IPA and Stout on tap at the restaurant so they brewed those infrequently on their smaller (14bbl?) system and "borrowed" yeast. Those beers were restaurant only with some keg sales. Brewery B brews ales primarily, with the occasional lager, dunkel or maibock. Win-win.

If a proper pitch of yeast without a started costs us about $15, imagine what it costs somebody with a 30bbl system.

Are you really paying $7.50 a smack pack?  Wow, I guess it's good to live close to Portland. My LHBS's retail price is $5.50.

I pay $4 for dry yeasts.

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[micsager]

Are you really paying $7.50 a smack pack?  Wow, I guess it's good to live close to Portland. My LHBS's retail price is $5.50.

Yep -- http://www.homebrewhq.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=1378 -or- https://www.finevinewines.com/Z_ProdListMain.asp


Don't even get me started on Malt prices out here. All I will say is it would take a lot of sacks to pay for a grain mill.

Used to pay ~5.99 in Northern CA.

That's brutal.

http://www.olybrew.com/

[Stevie]

I pay $4 for dry yeasts.
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I have started moving away from 001/1056 in favor of US-05. No starter and cheaper.

[Joe Sr.]

I pay $4 for dry yeasts.
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I have started moving away from 001/1056 in favor of US-05. No starter and cheaper.

I save my slurries and reuse them for as long as possible.  By the fourth or fifth batch, it's getting close the $1 per batch.

[denny]

I pay $4 for dry yeasts.
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I have started moving away from 001/1056 in favor of US-05. No starter and cheaper.

IMO and testing, 05 doesn't give me as clean a beer as 1056.

[blatz]

I pay $4 for dry yeasts.
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I have started moving away from 001/1056 in favor of US-05. No starter and cheaper.

I save my slurries and reuse them for as long as possible.  By the fourth or fifth batch, it's getting close the $1 per batch.

But with us-05 it becomes $0.25 per batch 

[tschmidlin]

So the term "all" is used loosely by these folks? I'm not sure I understand the why of it.

Brewery A was a traditional German lager brewery (moving away from that recently) with a restaurant attached. Must have an IPA and Stout on tap at the restaurant so they brewed those infrequently on their smaller (14bbl?) system and "borrowed" yeast. Those beers were restaurant only with some keg sales. Brewery B brews ales primarily, with the occasional lager, dunkel or maibock. Win-win.

If a proper pitch of yeast without a started costs us about $15, imagine what it costs somebody with a 30bbl system.

Are you really paying $7.50 a smack pack?  Wow, I guess it's good to live close to Portland. My LHBS's retail price is $5.50. 

It's got nothing to do with distance to Wyeast Mic, we typically pay $7.50 on this side of the sound.

[micsager]

Well, then I guess it's good live in the boonies!   

[klickitat jim]

I think I pay $7 and my LHBS is about 25 miles from the plant.