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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2014, 11:31:44 AM »

At the NHC in Orlando I was alerted to a pair of score sheets that gave a beer a score of 12 (I think) with very few comments on the sheet other than "some oxidized notes."  The two judges were nationally known and respected.  As competition organizer I asked one of them if there was anything else about it that made it score so low.  When the answer was "no" I got another BJCP National and we rejudged the beer so we wouldn't have to explain the bad score sheets to the entrant.  I think we gave it a 33.  Good beer with a minor flaw.
I don't mind seeing low scores, but there had better be a lot of writing to explain it.

Now that's a good competition organizer. 
"I'm in charge, this isn't right, and I'm not putting my name on something where an entrant is treated like this"

Exactly my thoughts! Good work Jeffy.

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There's no excuse for that kind of "judging". Give feedback or don't bother judging.


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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2014, 03:03:06 PM »

At the NHC in Orlando I was alerted to a pair of score sheets that gave a beer a score of 12 (I think) with very few comments on the sheet other than "some oxidized notes."  The two judges were nationally known and respected.  As competition organizer I asked one of them if there was anything else about it that made it score so low.  When the answer was "no" I got another BJCP National and we rejudged the beer so we wouldn't have to explain the bad score sheets to the entrant.  I think we gave it a 33.  Good beer with a minor flaw.
I don't mind seeing low scores, but there had better be a lot of writing to explain it.

Now that's a good competition organizer. 
"I'm in charge, this isn't right, and I'm not putting my name on something where an entrant is treated like this"

Exactly my thoughts! Good work Jeffy.

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There's no excuse for that kind of "judging". Give feedback or don't bother judging.


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That's bull.  I just judged a competition of commercial brewers and there were some surprisingly bad ones for commercial brewers and I highly doubt they really cared what I had to say about making improvements but I still gave it because that's what I'm there for.  Are they going to make dramatic changes based on my amateur comments when they are making a living making beer, doubtful and maybe they just wanted a score to get a medal for marketing purposes but like I said, that's not what I'm there for.

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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2014, 03:10:08 PM »
Well, we're discussing homebrew competitions. Homebrewers do want feedback.

If you're too lazy to do it right, don't judge.


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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2014, 03:21:35 PM »
Well, we're discussing homebrew competitions. Homebrewers do want feedback.

If you're too lazy to do it right, don't judge.


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Sorry, I was referring to the 12 without comments when I said "That's bull", not your post if thats what you thought.  I'm saying feedback is a must regardless although I thought that was a bit clearer in my comments.

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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2014, 03:22:16 PM »
Sorry. Misunderstanding.


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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2014, 03:23:47 PM »
No problem.  I was trying to say I'm giving feedback whether they want it or not. 

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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2014, 03:59:55 PM »
Gotcha


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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2014, 04:00:31 PM »
I judged an onion stout (not a BJCP comp) that tasted like rotten onions. Apparently the brewer sautéed onions in butter then added it to his beer. I tried my best to look past the rotten onion flavor & aroma and as far as I could tell the base beer was OK. As was said before... Some things should not be used in beer.

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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2014, 06:56:44 PM »
I hated that beer so very very much. :)

Are you serious?  I thought that you were kidding.  Who would brew a tomatoweizen?  Better yet, who would enter it in a contest?

Wow, I thought it was a joke too. There's pushing the brewing envelope, and then there's just brewing s^%t.
After black garlic stout, I think nothing is a joke.

Let's see.  I judged a "wild" stout competition, and had a French Onion Soup stout, Rosemary Stout (tasted like lamb roast), a creme brulee' stout, and a few others than I've permanently blocked from my brain.

Of those, the French Onion Soup Stout was the grossest.  It gushed, it stank of onions, and it tasted amazingly like French onion soup without the cheese. 

Never, ever, think that any beer is too gross or weird to be entered into competition.


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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2014, 07:02:34 PM »
Kuhnhenn's makes a creme brulee' stout that is a-maze-ing.
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« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2014, 07:12:42 PM »
Kuhnhenn's makes a creme brulee' stout that is a-maze-ing.

So does southern tier. It's somewhere around $10 a bomber. Too much for me to risk it.

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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2014, 07:20:19 PM »
Kuhnhenn's makes a creme brulee' stout that is a-maze-ing.

So does southern tier. It's somewhere around $10 a bomber. Too much for me to risk it.
I've had that one too, it's quite good as well.  Worth $10 since it's basically 10%... bring a friend lol
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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2014, 07:42:42 PM »
Kuhnhenn's makes a creme brulee' stout that is a-maze-ing.

So does southern tier. It's somewhere around $10 a bomber. Too much for me to risk it.

It's well worth the $10.  A little on the sweet side, but fantastic for a nightcap
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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2014, 10:39:16 PM »
Kuhnhenn's makes a creme brulee' stout that is a-maze-ing.
So does southern tier. It's somewhere around $10 a bomber. Too much for me to risk it.
It's well worth the $10.  A little on the sweet side, but fantastic for a nightcap
Agreed, great beer.  Sweet and strong, so it would be hard to drink 22 oz by yourself, that's why ...
bring a friend
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Re: Consensus while judging?
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2014, 05:48:28 AM »
Kuhnhenn's makes a creme brulee' stout that is a-maze-ing.
So does southern tier. It's somewhere around $10 a bomber. Too much for me to risk it.
It's well worth the $10.  A little on the sweet side, but fantastic for a nightcap
Agreed, great beer.  Sweet and strong, so it would be hard to drink 22 oz by yourself, that's why ...
bring a friend
;)

Luckily the wife enjoys beer as much as I do so we go splits on the bombers  ;)

Quite the tangent on a beer scoring thread
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