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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2014, 01:39:15 PM »
With soap?

I used automatic dishwasher detergent. 

The process requires two passes through one's dishwasher.  The first pass is made with automatic dishwasher detergent.   The second pass is made with only water and heat dry.   The second pass ensures that one's bottles are residue free and sanitary, as bottle temperature exceeds 60C/140F (the temperature at which most vegetative cells are killed).   This technique only works if the people who live in one's house rinse their dishes well before placing them into the dishwasher.  The dishwasher used in this process must clean, free of food debris, and empty before the second pass is made with only bottles on bottling day.  The first pass can be combined with the day's dishes (i.e., as the bottles are used).  Beer must be rinsed from the bottles before they are placed into the dishwasher on the first pass.

Whenever I do bottle, I also use the dishwasher.  But rather than dish soap, I use PBW.  So far, so good. 

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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2014, 02:43:43 PM »
PBW is little more than a modified form of powdered automatic dishwasher detergent combined with sodium percarbonate.

I would like to add that one must use powdered unscented automatic dishwashing detergent in this process, not dish soap.
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2014, 03:24:20 PM »
Buy kegs, wash them with PBR, sanitize them with Star-San, put beer in them.

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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2014, 03:38:39 PM »
I soak bottles in oxiclean for several hours. Then the night before I bottle, I run them in the dishwasher on high heat with no sops to sanitize. I leave them in there until I bottle.
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2014, 03:47:31 PM »
I soak bottles in oxiclean for several hours. Then the night before I bottle, I run them in the dishwasher on high heat with no sops to sanitize. I leave them in there until I bottle.

I'm sure that'll work too.

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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2014, 04:32:51 PM »
With soap?

I used automatic dishwasher detergent. 

The process requires two passes through one's dishwasher.  The first pass is made with automatic dishwasher detergent.   The second pass is made with only water and heat dry.   The second pass ensures that one's bottles are residue free and sanitary, as bottle temperature exceeds 60C/140F (the temperature at which most vegetative cells are killed).   This technique only works if the people who live in one's house rinse their dishes well before placing them into the dishwasher.  The dishwasher used in this process must clean, free of food debris, and empty before the second pass is made with only bottles on bottling day.  The first pass can be combined with the day's dishes (i.e., as the bottles are used).  Beer must be rinsed from the bottles before they are placed into the dishwasher on the first pass.

I don't do this anymore, but when I did just ran the bottles in a clean dishwasher with no soap on the "sanitize" setting. Single pass, no problems. 

Now i just go with a hot rinse, scrub ifr necessary and sanitize with StarSan when i bottle. I don't bottle all that much so it's not that big of a chore.
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2014, 05:27:37 PM »
Buy kegs, wash them with PBR, sanitize them with Star-San, put beer in them.

I know PBR us not great but will it actually clean a keg?
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2014, 05:50:45 PM »
Buy kegs, wash them with PBR, sanitize them with Star-San, put beer in them.

I know PBR us not great but will it actually clean a keg?
Lol... You beat me to it!

Before I started kegging, I would clean out my bottles as soon as I emptied them. And to sanitize, I would throw them in the oven the night before, at 250* for an hour. In 60 batches in the bottle, not one infection or gusher.
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2014, 06:02:47 PM »
I thought there must be some higher purpose for PBR. Worst tasting cleanser ever.   ;)
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2014, 06:04:25 PM »
And I used to use the oven to sanitize bottles too before I started kegging.  If I bottle now, it's usually with a Beer Gun.
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2014, 06:27:02 PM »
Interesting. I just rinse by running tap water into the bottles and swirl and dump, do this about 4 times immediately after pouring the bottle into the glass. Then after a few hours or the next day, i pour out what little water is left in bottle and put it in the case upside down. Next bottling day I sanitize using a vinator bottling rinser, place bottles on sanitized bottom rack of dishwater to drain, then fill. Seems to work for me.
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2014, 06:41:59 PM »
I soak bottles in oxiclean for several hours. Then the night before I bottle, I run them in the dishwasher on high heat with no sops to sanitize. I leave them in there until I bottle.

I'm sure that'll work too.

I forgot that I also spray a couple shots of Starsan in the bottles too.


Indeed kegging is easier.
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2014, 02:25:11 AM »
Do you guys dilute the PBR or just run it full strength

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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2014, 04:44:26 AM »
Do you guys dilute the PBR or just run it full strength

Full strength it'll eat through the keg
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Re: Gusher Infection?
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2014, 07:05:19 AM »
Do you guys dilute the PBR or just run it full strength

Full strength it'll eat through the keg

Stupid fingers...PBW, not PBR. PBR is poisonous.