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alcoholic taste?
« on: May 01, 2014, 08:05:58 AM »
I am curious what leads to a more notable 'alcoholic' taste. It seems to be pretty apparent in one of my most recent beers. I am more curious than worried. Is it a byproduct of fermentation? Will it fade with time?

47% Two row
47% Red X
4% crystal
2% special b

Mashed at 150 for 75 min
OG 1.070
FG 1.011
7.8% abv
US05

I didn't think it has a high enough ABV for it to be as noticeable as it is. Please educate me.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 08:10:26 AM »
Alcoholic taste certainly is a byproduct of fermentation.

You'll get it from the brew being out of balance. Some sweetness is needed to counter the alcohol bite.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 08:14:25 AM »
In a beer looking like this...

OG 1.070
FG 1.011
7.8% abv

...you're very likely to taste some alcohol.

It should mellow a bit with age.  Fermentation temperatures are also a factor.  Cooler fermentations (low 60s) will generally produce less fusel alcohols than higher temperatures (upper 60s, 70s, etc.).
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 08:18:04 AM »
Thanks!

Makes sense. I am usually more concerned with balancing malt and hops versus alcohol. I rarely brew anything higher than 5.5% so I have limited experience.

Sounds like since it finished reasonably dry for that OG, the alcohol is more apparent than if it had a higher FG. To correct it, I would need a higher OG and a higher FG if I wanted the same ABV?

According to my notes, fermentation stayed in the mid 60s.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2014, 08:22:28 AM by goschman »
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 08:24:04 AM »
Thanks!

Makes sense. I am usually more concerned with balancing malt and hops versus alcohol. I rarely brew anything higher than 5.5% so I have limited experience.

Sounds like since it finished reasonably dry for that OG, the alcohol is more apparent than if it had a higher FG. To correct it, I would need a higher OG and a higher FG if I wanted the same ABV?

According to my notes, fermentation stayed in the mid 60s.

was mid 60's the beer temp or the air temp? if air temp it could easily have peaked in the low to mid 70's which could produce a touch of hot alcohol flavor. how is the head retention?
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 08:26:38 AM »
Thanks!

Makes sense. I am usually more concerned with balancing malt and hops versus alcohol. I rarely brew anything higher than 5.5% so I have limited experience.

Sounds like since it finished reasonably dry for that OG, the alcohol is more apparent than if it had a higher FG. To correct it, I would need a higher OG and a higher FG if I wanted the same ABV?

According to my notes, fermentation stayed in the mid 60s.

was mid 60's the beer temp or the air temp? if air temp it could easily have peaked in the low to mid 70's which could produce a touch of hot alcohol flavor. how is the head retention?

Head retention is great. That is one thing that I noted during the tasting last night. This one is in the bottle which I rarely do anymore.

Looks like I pitched at 63, it peaked at 67, and dropped back to 63 over 3 weeks. Temperature readings taken from strip on plastic bucket. For my normal beers, I can get up to 72 with US05 without noticing any differences.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 08:52:13 AM »
Is this from repeated tastings or one drinking session? Sometimes my pallet is extremely sensitive to alcoholic taste (especially if I have gone a few days without a beer) other times I barely notice it.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2014, 09:09:02 AM »
This is after about 2 tastings however I will admit the beer may need some additional aging. Right now it is at 3 weeks in the bottle. I popped a couple more to test carb in order to see if I can age some cold. I wouldn't say it is an off-putting taste but it gives the impression of a higher ABV beer for sure.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2014, 09:14:02 AM »







Looks like I pitched at 63, it peaked at 67, and dropped back to 63 over 3 weeks. Temperature readings taken from strip on plastic bucket. For my normal beers, I can get up to 72 with US05 without noticing any differences.

If you stayed within that temp range, I don't really see fusels being an issue.  I think some aging will mellow it out a good bit. If you brewed a few standard OG beers in a row (~ 1.050), the alcohol in this one might have seemed more up front than normal. I think it'll be good.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2014, 09:22:45 AM »
How much yeast? Did you rehydrate? If this is a 5 gal batch, even rehydrated that would be under-pitching. If the yeast was pitched dry it would be substantially under-pitched.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2014, 09:35:36 AM »
How much yeast? Did you rehydrate? If this is a 5 gal batch, even rehydrated that would be under-pitching. If the yeast was pitched dry it would be substantially under-pitched.

This was for a 3.5 gallon batch. According to yeast calculators, one 11.5 g packet was enough.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2014, 06:59:26 PM »
I think dmtaylor's advice for it to mellow is your best option and required anyway. Three weeks in the bottle and most likely 5-6 total age. Something around 8% might need to sit awhile. It may not really fade but change a little and become more pleasing.

You never mentioned your bu's.






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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2014, 08:11:35 AM »
Thanks! I assumed it might need more time but again I just don't have much experience brewing higher OG beers....

It is 52 IBUs for a bitterness ratio of 0.743. Bittered with columbus, and added simcoe and centennial at 20, 10, and flameout. I think it is reasonably balanced in that way. I was going for something malty but with some noticeable hop character. I think I achieved that.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2014, 09:08:59 AM »
Thanks! I assumed it might need more time but again I just don't have much experience brewing higher OG beers....

It is 52 IBUs for a bitterness ratio of 0.743. Bittered with columbus, and added simcoe and centennial at 20, 10, and flameout. I think it is reasonably balanced in that way. I was going for something malty but with some noticeable hop character. I think I achieved that.

Sounds pretty good to me - sort of American Strong Ale (ish).  You'll have to post your impressions of the Red X malt.
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Re: alcoholic taste?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2014, 09:19:32 AM »
How much yeast? Did you rehydrate? If this is a 5 gal batch, even rehydrated that would be under-pitching. If the yeast was pitched dry it would be substantially under-pitched.
This was for a 3.5 gallon batch. According to yeast calculators, one 11.5 g packet was enough.


If you didn't rehydrate the yeast before pitching you can lose about 50% of the yeast according to Chris White.  You pitched enough yeast to ferment the batch, but maybe not enough to produce a clean fermentation.  Did you rehydrate the yeast with water?