[Joe Sr.]

Thanks.  No need for apologies.

[AmandaK]

HopShot says that 1ml in 5 gallons for 60 minutes = 10 IBU.  50ml for 90 minutes starts to sound like a crazy amount of bitterness.

That is probably the calculated amount, but perceived bitterness is a whole 'nother animal. I forget what 2 full vials for 60 minutes at 1.065-1.070 is in calculated figures, but it's about right for the perceived bitterness of a Pliny-type beer.

[Joe Sr.]

HopShot says that 1ml in 5 gallons for 60 minutes = 10 IBU.  50ml for 90 minutes starts to sound like a crazy amount of bitterness.

That is probably the calculated amount, but perceived bitterness is a whole 'nother animal. I forget what 2 full vials for 60 minutes at 1.065-1.070 is in calculated figures, but it's about right for the perceived bitterness of a Pliny-type beer.

That's very helpful.  Thanks.  Actually, all the replies are very helpful.

I also noticed that the Bertus recipe is for 12 gallons, not 5.

This batch will be for my soon-to-be-Godson's Christening, so I want to get it right.  Well, I'd want to get it right regardless.  But a tad more pressure to do so in this case.

[sambates]

I did a 5-gallon batch recently and it turned out pretty dang close to Pliny. Here's the recipe that I did based around what I've seen. The most important thing I found is shooting to hit the gypsum in the 300ppm range. Santa Rosa has soft water and Vinnie told me that he is heavy handed on the gypsum. Below is the recipe I used and the only thing I would do different is making the corn sugar a whole pound to dry it out a little more.

file:///Users/SamBates/Desktop/Pliny%20the%20Elder%20Clone.html

For clarification:
He dry hops in two phases, so I labeled mined as "5 days" for the 1st DH and "10 days" for the 2nd DH. I also used a mix of water, if you want clarification on that. Hope that you nail it!

[mattybrass]

I just recently brewed a IIPA using 10 ml of hop shot, 4 oz of hops in the whirl pool and (2) 4oz dry hop additions. I havent tasted it yet carbed but when i racked to keg before dry hopping it sure was tasty !

[yso191]

Just to chime in on the subject...  My last two IPAs were both done with 10 ml of extract which was obtained from yakimavalleyhops.com.  Both batches were 5 gallons.  I really liked the result.  I don't know what it means, if anything, but there were little reddish brown spots of resin all over the inside of my BK.  I wondered if this was excess that didn't get isomerized, but I have no way of knowing.

The bottom line is that I will use them again.  It seems like I good way to keep the volume of plant material out of the wort, and the price seemed very reasonable.

[denny]

I've got some of this stuff I've been playing with...http://freshops.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=MERCHOIL

[yso191]

Very interesting Denny.  There isn't much specific info on the page though.  Do you know or can you guess what hop(s) they use?

I'm also curious how you have used it and what you thought of the resulting beer.

[denny]

Very interesting Denny.  There isn't much specific info on the page though.  Do you know or can you guess what hop(s) they use?

I'm also curious how you have used it and what you thought of the resulting beer.

I believe it says Cascade.  That's what Dave Wills told me when he gave it to me.  I just put a few drops in a finished beer when I feel like it.